Existence is attributed to things merely experienced. Making any distinction/correlation , linguistic or nonlinguistic, is predicated on the pressupossition of existence. — Merkwurdichliebe
Only directly perceptible things can be the content of non linguistic thought/belief. — creativesoul
One without language can have existence in mind in any number of ways without ever having used the term "existence" simply by drawing a correlation between the existent and other things that may or may not exist. — Merkwurdichliebe
Existence is attributed to things merely experienced. Making any distinction/correlation , linguistic or nonlinguistic, is predicated on the pressupossition of existence. So it it rather illogical to say that existence does not factor into thought prior to language acquisition.
I hope you can convince me otherwise. — Merkwurdichliebe
And what happens when something that is thought to be directly perceptible is not perceived? Then there is the thought that it does not exist (perceptually). It is easy to see how existence factors into nonlinguistic thought... — Merkwurdichliebe
predication
— creativesoul
Does correlation require predication? — Merkwurdichliebe
Thinking that something is directly perceptible requires thinking in those terms. Those terms require already having picked something out to think about in terms of whether or not it is directly perceptible. — creativesoul
Thinking that something is directly perceptible requires thinking in those terms. Those terms require already having picked something out to think about in terms of whether or not it is directly perceptible.
— creativesoul
Not when making nonlinguistic correlations. — Merkwurdichliebe
Gratuitous assertions are inadequate on my view. — creativesoul
The existent is not existence. — creativesoul
That, I think, can be maintained by careful ad hoc. — creativesoul
If you cannot tell the difference between existence and an existent, then there's not much I can do here. — creativesoul
Not interested. Are there any other frameworks you'd like to compare/contrast? — creativesoul
Sorry, but for me ' existence' is merely a word like any other whose meaning/import is embedded in its context of usage, therefore I cannot argue for its non linguistic viability. The non philosophical contexts of its usage involve disputes about 'utility', which for the purposes of naive realistic posturing replace utility with the word 'existence' instead as though the disputed concept were independent of an observer.
Now once we entertain philosophical contexts of usage, I assert that 'existence' presupposes at least an element of naive realism. — fresco
I cannot argue for its non linguistic viability. — fresco
Discarding has no comparison to refutation when it comes to argument. Discarding is a cowardly retreat — Merkwurdichliebe
Why just this morning I made breakfast. I ground up some coffee beans, made the coffee, poured some cold cereal in a bowl, added skim milk, ate it - and I also drank some coffee. And in all of this I did not once use any words whose meaning was embedded in it’s context of usage. — EricH
Is it a cowardly retreat to recognize the futility of certain approaches? — g0d
I'm completely ok with dismissing the notion of nonlinguistic thought. The more I consider it, the more it becomes apparent that it is quite redundant and that it unnecessarily complicates matters. — Merkwurdichliebe
What exactly are you calling "nonlinguistic thought"? — creativesoul
What exactly are you calling "nonlinguistic thought"?
— creativesoul
Any thought that doesn't involve language. — Merkwurdichliebe
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