Oh, quick question NOS: You're a Dumpertrumper and want to get your take on this. He's scheduled to make an announcement today on the controversial acquittal. Why can't he publicly articulate more important/normal things like other controversial political policies and legislation... ? Is he that narcissistic where he consistently shows his need to make himself feel or look good? I mean, he does this all the time...at the veterans hospital where instead of consoling veteran's he talks about crowd size, etc...
Bonus question: was Mitt Romney wrong?
Would you want another President to do what your Dumpertrumper did?
Oh, and why did 75% of the general public want witnesses? Are they wrong too?
No, the public was not wrong to want witnesses in my opinion. I too wanted witnesses. — NOS4A2
I would want any president to look into corruption, especially when the tax-payer is giving millions in weaponry and aid. — NOS4A2
Thanks, that made me laugh. The one conservative senator who appears to have upheld conservative values is a fake and a traitor.
Yep so would I. Why didn't he go through the Government agencies to investigate and/or hired a personal attorney along with the nefarious bedfellows who where found guilty of campaign violations?
Guiliani was investigating on his own accord in his capacity as a defense attorney, not at the direction of the president. — NOS4A2
That's not what Sondland and Taylor said. And speaking of lying, was Dumpertrumper lying again when he said he didn't know Parnus, or was the audio tape fake? LOL
Did Mitt use his conscience in voting for impeachment? Please elaborate if you can...or maybe start a new thread and discuss the merits of consciousnessness/conscience and what that means to people LOL.
Boner question: how do you sleep at night LOL
Falsely believed?Romney was wrong because he falsely believed Trump did something wrong and, in a fit of pious sanctimony, betrayed his president. — NOS4A2
Falsely believed?
You should at least pretend to exercise objectivity. I gave you good reasons to support the judgment that Trump did wrong, reasons which you could not refute. Regardless of your personal judgment that Trump did "good" (setting aside your poor defense of that judgment), you should at least try to understand that reasonable people could indeed judge that Trump did wrong, and give Romney the benefit of the doubt that his judgment was sincere. For that matter, there were other Republicans who agreed with Romney that Trump did something wrong, they just didn't consider it a "high crime" sufficient for removal.
It's pretty revealing that you refer to "betraying" the President: loyalty to country OUGHT to come before loyalty to party, and loyalty to a person should come dead last.
Yeah you guys welcomed all the nevertrump neoconservatives and neoliberals with open arms. Odd bedfellows. — NOS4A2
You identified no errors in reasoning nor false assumptions that I'd made. On the other hand, you didn't understand federal government ethics standards and how Trump's behavior violated them. Your judgment seemed rooted in bias against Biden and in favor of Trump, whatever he might do.I disagree, I do not think you gave good reasons, and in fact gave specious reasons as to why he engaged in wrong-doing. Worse, like the House managers, it was all premised on fantasy and presumption. — NOS4A2
Claiming Romney displayed "pious sanctimony" does not sound like giving him the benefit of the doubt. Romney knew his vote would hurt him politically, and yet he cast it - that's an act of courage that you should applaud, even if you disagree with his judgment.I am giving Romney the benefit of the doubt. — NOS4A2
I didn’t believe you were Russian troll before but given how long you’ve been doing this and your unwavering consistency I can only conclude that you’re either being paid or are batshit cray cray. You don’t seem crazy though. Your responses feel purposeful and strategic.
You identified no errors in reasoning nor false assumptions that I'd made. On the other hand, you didn't understand federal government ethics standards and how Trump's behavior violated them. Your judgment seemed rooted in bias against Biden and in favor of Trump, whatever he might do.
Claiming Romney displayed "pious sanctimony" does not sound like giving him the benefit of the doubt. Romney knew his vote would hurt him politically, and yet he cast it - that's an act of courage that you should applaud, even if you disagree with his judgment.
What’s funny is, when hawks like Bolton and Romney virtue-signal their anti-Trumpism you guys lay out the red carpet for them. Odd bedfellows indeed. — NOS4A2
You can praise people for doing the right thing even if they've also done wrong things. Just because they're "the opposition" in most cases doesn't mean we have to spin everything they ever do as bad.
That's what Fox News is for.
I’m glad there’s an opposing view from the majority but it would be better if it felt like it was coming from someone who was actually invested and not just going through the tedious motions.
My point is they are not being praised for doing the right thing — NOS4A2
At this point it wouldn't matter who voted against Trump, they would be welcomed with open arms.
They are. Having witnesses would have been the right thing. Removing Trump from office would have been the right thing. Informing the public of Trump's wrongdoing would have been the right thing.
Yes, because removing Trump would have been the right thing.
Like I said, promoting a certain worldview, one that has already been roundly rejected. — NOS4A2
Awww. How dare he went against Trump. How dare he!!!Mitt Romney was wrong, yes. — NOS4A2
If upholding past Republican values means going against Trump, that is simply sacrilege!The one conservative senator who appears to have upheld conservative values is a fake and a traitor. — praxis
..of the other party you don't support, I know. Many Americans are like that.I would want any president to look into corruption — NOS4A2
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