What are the living conditions in Africa (I'm assuming sub-Saharan parts of Africa where polygamy and child marriage are practices); why would you want to emulate that? This isn't just about "race" is it? — IvoryBlackBishop
Actually, it will. Simple demographic fact.Unless something akin to the "voluntary human extinction movement" or a nihilistic worldview in which "no one" should have children was relevant, then the "entire" population would not disappear. — IvoryBlackBishop
No, simply pointing to reality. In the short term (which you seem preoccupied with) demographics means nothing. In tne long term, it means everything. Populations which do not reproduce disappear, populations which do, take over. How do you think Kosovo went from being a Serbian province to an Albanian territory? (Just a random example)So, honestly, I don't see what the point in aggregate population comparisons between America, Europe, or Africa are, unless this is just some type of "population measuring contest"; can you provide any more depth to this issue?
How do you think Kosovo went from being a Serbian province to an Albanian territory? (Just a random example)
waltz to the grave hand-in-hand — god must be atheist
As of right now, I would honestly prefer playing a video game than trying to 'pick up' a woman at a strip club. — IvoryBlackBishop
Has anyone ever heard of contraception, introspection, full suspension, and resurrection?
I have enjoyed both a promiscuous and a monogamous lifestyle, and I have to tell you: the monogamous is boring but safe and life is easier; the promiscuous is frought with adversity, instability, and money troubles, but it's infintely more exciting and enjoyable.
Yeah, you can find a partner whom you can trust and get to know, and while I don't condone hooking up for myself (I won't interfere with the choice by others for themselves), a serial monogamy is WAAAY preferable to a single long-term relationship. In serial, you can date as long as you find your partner exciting and vice versa. In marriage, in most of them, there is no sex to speak of after the fifth year. It is not exciting, you get so fucking incredibly bored with her or him, that you cringe even when they touch you or you touch them. And of course you fantasize about thy neighbour's ass.
For those who still can afford a choice, I suggest you go out and sow your wild oats, (without producing a baby, fer crying out loud), then when old age sets in and the cart of life gets too heavy to be pulled just by one person, then hook up with a contemporary of your age group, and waltz to the grave hand-in-hand. — god must be atheist
but 94.3% of the population can not manage it. — Bitter Crank
That would only happen in a theoretical situation in which the entire population decided to stop having children, and in practice, as opposed to pure abstraction, that has never happened.
So you're talking about territorialism, not "culture".
I still have no idea what that has to do with "birth rates", a nation could become "annexed" by another nation, such as through war or colonization, even then I fail to see what "population" or birth rates have to do with this.
True, but how much "population" is needed and in the context of what goals, and how does "aggregate" population take into account other social or economic factors, such as populations of families relative to their means, and so on and so forth?
Pairing up early in one's life, not having the experience of sharing in a variety of sexual styles, preferences, wishes, wants, etc., seems like an impoverished life. — Bitter Crank
Procreation is a responsibility, but it is NOT a right. — Possibility
a sexual relationship negotiated on the freely agreed terms of all participating parties is always preferable to legality, however temporary. — Possibility
]But surely you’re more than just a bunch of animals ‘forced’ to comply with the socio-political framework of the day? — Possibility
Well yes, but whatever societal norms you have are BASED on biology.Frankly, if we consider ourselves to be human beings, then our ‘default’ should NOT be biology. — Possibility
Are we? Biology is what it is. The socio-political framework is very different, depending on the time and place. — Nobeernolife
Well yes, but whatever societal norms you have are BASED on biology. — Nobeernolife
I dispute that societal norms must be BASED on this interpretation of ‘biology’. That’s my point. — Possibility
But surely you’re more than just a bunch of animals ‘forced’ to comply with the socio-political framework of the day? — Possibility
Maybe "based" is a misleading term. What I meant to say is that the biological facts are always there. Whatever societal norms are put on top of it can be very different, but the biological base is always there. — Nobeernolife
For male biology, procreation is a privilege acquired through either violent combat ("mating season") or possibly through civilizing hacks such as marriage, if and when such civilizing hack still possibly functions. — alcontali
I've been with Nancy for 38 years. We met on a blind date set up by a friend. Haven't been apart since...and I would not change any of the memories I have of this monogamous relationship.
ASIDE: We've been together, as I mentioned, for 38 years...and have never married. We've both just felt that no governmental agency or church need be involved in our relationship. — Frank Apisa
then again every serious take on marriage or monogamy as an ideal, even including Biblical ones (in which marital problems and conflicts are a recurring theme) is that it would require a lot of work and sacrifice, with many marriages or relationships not being part of the ideal, — IvoryBlackBishop
The way we conceptualise ‘male biology’ in the first place might be a good place to start... — Possibility
Considering our entire society has turned to shit — christian2017
I haven't found anything akin to an "one-size fits all" view — IvoryBlackBishop
When wasn't it shit? — Michael
And as I pointed out, male incels are source of aggression and instability i a society. — Nobeernolife
The suicide rate is much higher in the US than any other time — christian2017
When was US society at its best? 2000 when the suicide rate was at its lowest? — Michael
I haven't found anything akin to an "one-size fits all" view
— IvoryBlackBishop
Because there isn't one. Some people prefer monogamy, some polyamory, some celibacy. There's no such thing as "right" or "wrong", just "right for me" and "wrong for you" – and even that changes as people grow and change. — Michael
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