How is that possible if we are talking about the same god? — Nobeernolife

Mohammad listened to what angel who he said dictated the Quran?

That angel was first mention as being Yahweh's. Right?

Regards
DL

Christianity and Islam share the same DNA so it should not surprise anyone that they are close in ideology. They are both fascist.

I question both religions on moral issue and all I see are moral cowards who fear judging their gods justly. Cowards can never be moral.

I did look a that video but think I was given the wrong role by Nobeernolife.

I am more like Maher except I get a bit more vulgar when it comes to the genocidal prick Christians worship. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

I disagree. Maher apparently is willing to read an article and has the ability to understand that not everything Hollywood portrays as true is true.

I disagree. — christian2017

I am not sure what you are disagreeing with. I did not criticize Maher.

Regards
DL

Maher in that video clearly stated that Islam and Christianity have very critical differences. Maher is not a big fan of Christianity but he sees it as a big improvement over Islam. Spectrum.

He probably favors atheism and on a different subject socialism.

The pharisees adhered to the first 5 books of the old testament to some measure but they also had other books such as the Talmud and to some extent the Kabbalah. Words matter. Jesus Christ didn't oppose the first 5 books of the old testament. He opposed alot of the things in the Talmud and the Pharasee tradition.

Once again, words matter.

Mohammad listened to what angel who he said dictated the Quran?
That angel was first mention as being Yahweh's. Right? — Gnostic Christian Bishop

I am not interested in discussing angels or unicorns. I was pointing out simple logic: can one god at the same time love its own followers and love its own followers? Yes or no?

(The same btw goes for the often heard claim that islam respects "Jesus". The Jesus figure described is completely different, so this too is a nonsensical claim.)

No Beer No Life. Does that mean you do drink beer or you don't? I use tobacco mainly but i have nothing against drinking alcohol other than it can get out of hand for some people.

No Beer No Life. Does that mean you do drink beer or you don't? I use tobacco mainly but i have nothing against drinking alcohol other than it can get out of hand for some people. — christian2017

Quit tobacco long ago. You might want consider too in these Corona days.

I'm worried about my children's health. I welcome cancer as it pertains to tobacco. I don't think tobacco will necessarily infect me nor my children with the corona virus. My family is better off with me dead.

I'm worried about my children's health. I welcome cancer as it pertains to tobacco. I don't think tobacco will necessarily infect me nor my children with the corona virus. My family is better off with me dead. — christian2017

Oh my that is dark. I didn´t mean to say tobacco infects you, I just meant that tobacco is bad for the lungs, and Corona attacks the lungs. Most old guys in China are heavy smokers....

Once again, words matter. — christian2017

Correct, and you opined on issues that Jesus did not oppose without naming them.

There are also issues he did oppose, like the Christian/Jewish no divorce for women and that really vile substitutional punishment policies.

See how it's done?

Words matter, a term you use, while ignoring to put words worthy of thought and impossible to rebut.

Regards
DL

Yes or no? — Nobeernolife

Don't know and do not care what imaginary gods think or do.

The Muslim perception and tradition stems from the Judeo Christian traditions and just as Christians usurped Yahweh from the Jews, the Muslims usurped Yahweh from the Christians.

Regards
DL

The Muslim perception and tradition stems from the Judeo Christian traditions and just as Christians usurped Yahweh from the Jews, the Muslims usurped Yahweh from the Christians. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

The "muslim perception" stems from the Koran and the Haddith, which are all based on one single man, who in islamic doctrine is the perfect human being to emulated in every way. "The muslims" simply follow what this man said and did, which he claimed was dictated by Allah.

Stop trying to obfuscate the picture with weasel words.

Don't know and do not care what imaginary gods think or do. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

I am am using simple logic. It applies to imaginary gods as well as to you and me. Stop obfuscating.

Oh my that is dark. I didn´t mean to say tobacco infects you, I just meant that tobacco is bad for the lungs, and Corona attacks the lungs. Most old guys in China are heavy smokers.... — Nobeernolife

You won't have to look hard in this modern age nor on a philosophy forum to find "dark". Depression is common in this modern age. #Shark_Fighter_Nation. Suicide is very high these days. But there are alternatives.

Correct, and you opined on issues that Jesus did not oppose without naming them.

There are also issues he did oppose, like the Christian/Jewish no divorce for women and that really vile substitutional punishment policies.

See how it's done?

Words matter, a term you use, while ignoring to put words worthy of thought and impossible to rebut. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Maher doesn't agree with you in the strictest sense on Islam and Christianity. We can start from there. You tried to lump Maher on your side with that.

Jesus didn't say no divorce, he said that divorce isn't a light issue. Where did Jesus say no divorce. Sex and the heart are closely linked. Why would you say otherwise?

Mohammad listened to what angel who he said dictated the Quran?

That angel was first mention as being Yahweh's. Right? — Gnostic Christian Bishop

If i claimed to be a devout christian, that doesn't mean i'm a devout christian nor does what i claim to be mean that that is what i am.

The "muslim perception" stems from the Koran and the Haddith, which are all based on one single man, who in islamic doctrine is the perfect human being to emulated in every way. "The muslims" simply follow what this man said and did, which he claimed was dictated by Allah.

Stop trying to obfuscate the picture with weasel words. — Nobeernolife

Correct.

Stop trying to obfuscate the picture with weasel words. — Nobeernolife

Stay willfully ignorant.

https://islaminitsownwords.blogspot.com/2009/04/angel-gabriel-and-muhammad.html

Regards
DL

I am am using simple logic. — Nobeernolife

Logic does not apply to the supernatural realm.

All that can be said of the supernatural is speculative nonsense.

You are more stupid than you think.

Regards
DL

Where did Jesus say no divorce. — christian2017

Matthew 19:8 King James Version
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Sex and the heart are closely linked. Why would you say otherwise? — christian2017

Where did I say that?

I did not. Get the quote as words matter. Right?

Especially like here where you lie.

Regards
DL

If i claimed to be a devout christian, that doesn't mean i'm a devout christian nor does what i claim to be mean that that is what i am. — christian2017

Irrelevant.

Regards
DL

Logic does not apply to the supernatural realm.
All that can be said of the supernatural is speculative nonsense.
You are more stupid than you think. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

I am not arguing about any "supernatural realm". I simply trying to explain to you that the claim that god figure described in islam is different from the god figure described in Christianity. That is a statement about claims, not an argument about any supernatural whatever,

And name-calling simply shows that you have lost the argument and dont want to admit it. Alas, a very human reflex.

Stay willfully ignorant.
https://islaminitsownwords.blogspot.com/2009/04/angel-gabriel-and-muhammad.html — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Irrelevant.

god figure described in islam is different — Nobeernolife

Different as the Christian Yahweh is different from the Jewish version.

Islam says that Mohammad is a prophet of the same god. The final prophet.

Strange that we are talking the beginning and interpretations in Islam, yet the link I gave you is irrelevant when it ties Yahweh's angel to Mohammad.

You are too stupid for me. Done here.

Regards
DL

Where did Jesus say no divorce.
— christian2017

Matthew 19:8 King James Version
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Sex and the heart are closely linked. Why would you say otherwise?
— christian2017

Where did I say that?

I did not. Get the quote as words matter. Right?

Especially like here where you lie.

Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Matthew 19 doesn't say not to have a divorce. Where do you see that? Jesus Christ said himself he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Matthew 19 doesn't say don't have a divorce but that it is not something to enter into lightly.

Sex and the heart are closely linked is why divorce should not be taken lightly. I actually never said you said that but that you fall into the profile of someone who might say something like that. I actually never literally accused you of saying that. You appear to be more open minded than i originally thought.

Where did i lie? You love to accuse people of lying on this forum.

Mohammad listened to what angel who he said dictated the Quran?

That angel was first mention as being Yahweh's. Right?
— Gnostic Christian Bishop

If i claimed to be a devout christian, that doesn't mean i'm a devout christian nor does what i claim to be mean that that is what i am. — christian2017

Irrelevant? You felt the need to mention that Gabriel was claimed to have appeared before Mohomad. My statement to your statement is relevant if the original statement about Gabriel is relevant.

Different as the Christian Yahweh is different from the Jewish version.
Islam says that Mohammad is a prophet of the same god. The final prophet.
Strange that we are talking the beginning and interpretations in Islam, yet the link I gave you is irrelevant when it ties Yahweh's angel to Mohammad. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

You are, I am not, I was simply pointing out how the claim is logically impossible. I am sorry about your apparent reading comprehension problem.

You are too stupid for me. Done here. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Yeah, I feel the same way.

Matthew 19 doesn't say not to have a divorce. Where do you see that? Jesus Christ said himself he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Matthew 19 doesn't say don't have a divorce but that it is not something to enter into lightly. — christian2017

It is inferred. But ok.

if you do not grasp that, tell us what was the law in the beginning that Jesus was endorsing if not a no divorce policy that the Church later enforced and codified.

Was it, what god has put together let no man put asunder, or whatever the Christian phrase was? IOW, no divorce.

Sex and the heart are closely linked is why divorce should not be taken lightly. — christian2017

Hogwash. Sex is cheep these days as shown with the V D stats in so called Christian nations and every pick up bar and internet fuck buddy site. Jez, do you live in a hole somewhere?

I actually never said you said that but that you fall into the profile of someone who might say something like that. I actually never literally accused you of saying that. You appear to be more open minded than i originally though — christian2017

Was that an apology?

You show how uncouth you are. A gentleman would just apologise and shut the hell up.

Thanks anyway.

Regards
DL

Matthew 19 doesn't say not to have a divorce. Where do you see that? Jesus Christ said himself he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Matthew 19 doesn't say don't have a divorce but that it is not something to enter into lightly.
— christian2017

It is inferred. But ok.

if you do not grasp that, tell us what was the law in the beginning that Jesus was endorsing if not a no divorce policy that the Church later enforced and codified.

Was it, what god has put together let no man put asunder, or whatever the Christian phrase was? IOW, no divorce. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Different as the Christian Yahweh is different from the Jewish version.
Islam says that Mohammad is a prophet of the same god. The final prophet.
Strange that we are talking the beginning and interpretations in Islam, yet the link I gave you is irrelevant when it ties Yahweh's angel to Mohammad.
— Gnostic Christian Bishop
You are, I am not, I was simply pointing out how the claim is logically impossible. I am sorry about your apparent reading comprehension problem.

You are too stupid for me. Done here.
— Gnostic Christian Bishop
Yeah, I feel the same way. — Nobeernolife

Jesus Christ was/is a lawyer, he would understand the need for caveats. "The church", are you referring to the Roman Papacy? Millerism is similar to previous protestant "study of the end times" interpretations but most would say Millerism is flawed but has true aspects. In short the Roman Papacy is a product of satan which is not to say that there are many saved catholics (large or small subset).

Jesus Christ didn't refute the law of Moses. If Moses allowed divorce, Jesus Christ didn't change that, and if you would like you can try to prove otherwise. Are you familiar with Proverbs chapter 1 (KJV)?

As for Ecclesiastes and some of the writings of Solomon, if you read ecclesiastes, the author says in the first chapter that these writings are subsidariary to much of the rest of the Bible. Read the first chapter of Ecclesiastes. This is why Jesus Christ was given authority to argue with some or all of the writings of Solomon. "Eat drink and be merry" isn't always bad advice but Jesus Christ argued there are better alternatives if the person was willing or even in some cases forced to take those paths.

If Moses allowed divorce which he did, Jesus Christ was simply saying that the pharisees (and people like that) were taking the issues of the sex and the heart far too lightly. As you well know divorce is not a light issue.

Sex and the heart are closely linked is why divorce should not be taken lightly.
— christian2017

Hogwash. Sex is cheep these days as shown with the V D stats in so called Christian nations and every pick up bar and internet fuck buddy site. Jez, do you live in a hole somewhere? — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Are you implying modern christian don't read the Bible (including Proverbs chapter 1 KJV)? I agree.