• aRealidealist
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    So you advise to teach children no rules for behavior & interaction? They should simply just act how they wish without any correction or consequence? As another person has already said, seems like you’re pushing for anarchy, which would create as much oppression or chaos, the physically strong ruling over the weak type of a scenario, as you claim that contractualism leads to.
  • Shawn
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    So you advise to teach children no rules for behavior & interaction? They should simply just act how they wish without any correction or consequence? As another person has already said, seems like you’re pushing for anarchy, which would create as much oppression or chaos, the physically strong ruling over the weak type of scenario, as you claim that contractualism leads to.aRealidealist

    Not at all. It seems to me that punishment entails, self-punishment and reprisal in fear at such a young age, that we could get by without the whole ordeal to start with.
  • Shawn
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    What is anxiety, but, not a form of self-punishment? Fear in the extreme.
  • aRealidealist
    125
    “that we could get by without the whole ordeal to start with.” — When have you known this to be the case, if ever at all? Or is this just something that you imagine?
  • ernestm
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    Yet, the problem persists, and continues to persist. Should we just delve into some thought therapy, or hippocampus memory insertion?Shawn

    Should we? omg! After a black gang shot my cat, and living in a very poor area at the time, the police just thought it funny. I have to say, I really wanted those kids in jail for life. Shooting at my house windows, that was another thing entirely. Thats up to me to defend myself. But shooting a pet cat, which has no defenses at all against it, that is beyond my ability to comprehend. Shock therapy, brain surgery, I dont know. Prison for life, definitely. What could a person do next after shooting my pet?

    Im hoping you'll be aqble to tell me that with all the opinions you're learning, lol
  • Shawn
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    When have you known this to be the case, if ever at all?aRealidealist

    Scandinavia has one of the most lax crime system ever, and they don't get away with a lot, neither in terms of taxation. Here in the US, it's such fucking lunacy, that I am baffled and wondering if I should move to Sweden.
  • Shawn
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    Should we? omg! After a black gang shot my cat, and living in a very poor area at thetime, the police just thought it funny. I have to say, I really wanted those kids in jail for life. Shooting at my house windows, that was another thing entirely. Thats up to me to defend myself. But shooting a pet cat, which has no defenses at all against it, that is beyond my ability to comprehend. Shock therapy, brain surgery, I dont know. Prison for life, definitely. What could a person do next after shooting my pet?ernestm

    Oh my fucking God. Oh my fucking God!
  • Shawn
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    I'm not talking about killing pet cats, fuck that shit.
  • ernestm
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    I'm not talking about killing pet cats, fuck that shit.Shawn

    ok.

    I used to be totally against the death penalty. Well as you guess I like animals and anture and stuff. So when I read that some people broke into a zoo and killed two white rhinos so they could take their horns, I changed my mind. I wrote the state attorney general saying they should enforce the death penalty for that. And guess what, they put a sign up at the local zoo saying that the state considered poaching wild animals in a zoo so heinous a crime it could resultin any punishment up to and including the death penalty. I guess I spoke for the state on that one.

    I think there's one of those white rhinos left in the entire world. One.
  • Shawn
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    I think there's one of those white rhinos left in the entire world. One.ernestm

    Yeah, people are repugnant. Some...
  • ernestm
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    Yeah, people are repugnant. Some...Shawn

    Well here's how I deal with it. I think there are several species that look exactly the same and can interbreed. I dont know if its genetic, or environmental, or what, but I just dont think of them as the same species as me any more. It did work, thinking that way. I started feeling good about being a human being again. That's the extent I had to go to it, personally, on this problem.
  • Shawn
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    Luckily, we still are homo sapiens, despite such variance in psychology and sociological traits.
  • Hanover
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    Scandinavia has one of the most lax crime system ever, and they don't get away with a lot, neither in terms of taxation. Here in the US, it's such fucking lunacy, that I am baffled and wondering if I should move to Sweden.Shawn

    This is the Swedish Fallacy, a logical fallacy I've discovered. It's the argument that since it works in Sweden, it can work anywhere. The truth is that everything works in Sweden. If they decided to turn their prisoners into legislators and to pay everyone to shit on the sidewalk, it would somehow increase the GNP.
  • Shawn
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    This is the Swedish Fallacy, a logical fallacy I've discovered. It's the argument that since it works in Sweden, it can work anywhere. The truth is that everything works in Sweden. If they decided to turn their prisoners into legislators and to pay everyone to shit on the sidewalk, it would somehow increase the GNP.Hanover

    How do you explain the fact that it works, Hanny? It's all documented, researched, and backed by the Swedish krona.
  • ernestm
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    Luckily, we still are homo sapiens, despite such variance in psychology and sociological traits.Shawn

    Well, not necessariily, havng studied psychology at Oxford, I can say having talked with Professor Richard Dawkins, author of "the selfish gene." There does APPEAR to be one speciies, even down to physiological structure; but there are differences in neural activity that divide Homo Sapiens into two main subspecies. Dawkins called them hawks and doves.
    • In order to function successfully as predators, the hawks mimic the behavior and appearance of doves, but have no compassion, empathy, or any capacity for experiencing higher emotion beyond physical and sexual gratification. Hawks are usually solitary, although sometimes they hunt in packs
    • The doves, on whom the hawks prey, have developed far more sophisticated mechanisms for even more than just higher emotions, because they enable more advanced ideas such as community support, knowledge sharing, and even training of hawks they have caught to work in packs and use in military conflicts.
    The problem is, the two subspecies are not clearly separated by biochemical genetics alone. The theory is that there is a higher-order "social gene" that exists within the subconscious constructs of our minds, rather than the purely "biochemical gene" that exists in physical mechanics. And he wrote a book about it. Its pretty interesting )
  • Shawn
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    Wow man, thanks for that! I used to think psycho and sociopaths have no utility; but, they do prey in solitary confinement. The US is in love with hawks and eagles.
  • ernestm
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    The US is in love with hawks and eagles.Shawn

    Yeah!
  • Shawn
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    Yeah!ernestm

    How do you explain that? Why the obsession with all these birds of prey?
  • Shawn
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    How do you explain that? Why the obsession with all these birds of prey?Shawn

    Are we like so insecure that we need these birds circling around all the time? Every national intelligence agency has some hawk in it in the US.
  • ernestm
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    Are we like so insecure that we need these birds circling around all the time? Every national intelligence agency has some hawk in it in the US.Shawn

    Well, the best explanation I think Ive heard is that its the best way to contain them. Its better than prison. It doesnt need to be hawks and doves. Thats just what he chose to call them.

    There is another thing. On which one bases ratoinal hope! The hawks cannot outnumber the doves, or the community in which they are hiding collapses from self destruction. Because there are always more doves in total, the total community always advances slowly, albeit not linearly. Two steps forward, one step back )
  • Shawn
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    What about frogs? They kinda just ribbit, and hide from eagles and hawks. Hehe.
  • Shawn
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    A horse doesn't care... @unenlightened
  • Hanover
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    How do you explain the fact that it works, Hanny? It's all documented, researched, and backed by the Swedish krona.Shawn

    Because their population is absurdly responsible and competent. Being a politician there is like coaching a team of all stars. They're going to win regardless of who's in charge.
  • Shawn
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    Because their population is absurdly responsible and competent. Being a politician there is like coaching a team of all stars. They're going to win regardless of who's in charge.Hanover

    Wow, Hanny, that's very nice of you. What the actual fuck is going on in the US currently?
  • Shawn
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    I think the eagles in the US are fighting with the hawks. Poor FBI never had an eagle in its emblem and got swallowed up by Homeland.
  • ernestm
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    They kinda just ribbit, and hide from eagles and hawks. Hehe.Shawn
    Maybe there's more divisions, yes, but it's the predator/prey relationship that dominates, as in nature. There's symbiotes too.

    Anyway, I just wanted to share an idea why there is a rational reason to hope for social improvement, at least based on the Dawkins model. And Im glad to share it with you, espeically, for listening to my horror stories. Its more than most can do. Hope you have a nice day )
  • Shawn
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    Hope you have a nice day.ernestm

    Thank you Sir, and likewise.
  • Hanover
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    Wow, Hanny, that's very nice of you. What the actual fuck is going on in the US currently?Shawn

    Where I live, it's the same. Any pocket of affluence requires very little government oversight. Such is Sweden. If you have one homogenous class, no warfare.
  • Shawn
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    Where I live, it's the same. Any pocket of affluence requires very little government oversight. Such is Sweden. If you have one homogenous class, no warfare.Hanover

    I'm concerned about what's happening in US politics, aren't you?
  • Hanover
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    I'm concerned about what's happening in US politics, aren't you?Shawn

    Only if it means Trump might not get reelected.
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