I'm not a big fan of globalism — christian2017
Rights are not given by God, — Congau
I'm not a big fan of globalism
— christian2017
Yet you belong to a fascist religion that seeks world dominance and did not mind using inquisitions and murder to make it so.
Nice religion you follow. Not.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Do you have any real god given rights — Gnostic Christian Bishop
God given rights. Do you really have any?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
When a right is given to us by governments, they assume and have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. If governments do not accept and do this enforcement duty, then citizens have a corrupted government.
If a right is given to a soul, by god, he would have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. The fact that they often are, indicates that he is shirking his duty.
To me, rights are like laws, completely useless and worthless unless they can be enforced by a given power when they are breached.
Do you have any real god given rights, or are god given rights just a feel-good lie that we tell ourselves we have so as to ignore that we have none?
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
thats fair. — christian2017
Without a definition on what you mean by god, — Tomseltje
All we can know is that we exist (Descartes 'cogito ergo sum'), does that mean we have the right to exist? — Tomseltje
He says we dominated the planet due to legal fictions such as money and fictions such as human rights and religion. — christian2017
He says we dominated the planet due to legal fictions such as money and fictions such as human rights and religion.
— christian2017
There is some truth to that, but you forget that the religious fictions that Christianity used, where backed up by inquisitionsd and murder to grow Christianity as the did not have decent moral arguments to convert with.
You forget what made Christianity the size it is. Murder and lies.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Talk to your Christian friends and ask them to do the same for gays and women. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
God is well defined, to the Christians who wrote the U.S. judicial documents. I will not second guess them. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Only if I have what it takes to defend my right to life. That or an enforcement mechanism that I can call to my rescue.
I do not see rights as being something given. They are something that we can only accept or take. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
I turned the other cheek. — christian2017
So your life was not given to you by God? — Tomseltje
The notion of rights first took shape in the minds of people whose eyes were opened to the idea of morality. While it's difficult to pin down how and why of the first stirrings of ethical thinking, it's not all too difficult to see that rights are part and parcel of our sense of morality.
What is god but the ultimate perfection of our moral sense? Therefore, it's absolutely ok to assert that, since our rights are simply outgrowths of our morality and since god is the flawless form of our morality, our rights trace their origins to god, the all-benevolent creator. — TheMadFool
Look at the link in my last post.
Now try to write what you did again without choking on your own words.
How you see benevolence in a baby torturing genocidal prick is beyond me.
Do try to justify your impossible to justify thinking.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
You've misconstrued my words. I don't mean that there's a being who resides in heaven called god. God, as I used it, is morality taken to perfection and being that, is the source of our moral sense and, because that's so, the source of rights. — TheMadFool
Good.
I also define the word god similarly.
I define it as the best rules and laws to live by, so I think we are on the same page.
I think that that is the message of the Moses myth as he came off the mountain with laws from god and not with a god. The Jews, like us, quickly tried to improve on those.
The big 10 are rather vile when you think of them, so they failed in giving us the best rules and laws to live by.
I had forgotten that you were more agnostic when I replied and answered as I would have to a believer.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
You insult me all the time. We both read the Bible and claim to adhere to Jesus's teachings. — christian2017
Is socialism the answer? — christian2017
You insult me all the time. We both read the Bible and claim to adhere to Jesus's teachings.
— christian2017
I insult you for your morals as you are following the Rome created Jesus.
I follow Jesus' more esoteric/shamanic ways.
Your way slaves you to religion while my way frees us from it.
Keep following a genocidal god if you like, but do not expect moral people to respect you for holding such a position.
Do you respect the old German S S's thinking?
You are thinking the same way if you idolize Yahweh.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Is socialism the answer?
— christian2017
We have never had a true socialist system with a flat demographic pyramid so we have nothing to compare.
We do know that all societies are hierarchal and they are showing that socialism, whatever that is, is not what they want.
You might look at the happiness stats and recognize that the Northern European democracies have blende democracy with social programs in ways that have increased the happiness factor.
Regards
DL — Gnostic Christian Bishop
If you think some god gives life, then explain why he produced the poor souls you see in this link. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
what's worthy — Tomseltje
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