the system itself is existentially dependent upon racist belief, as I've argued from/for common sense regarding this already.
— creativesoul
You mean...
Here's a bit of common sense...
Wherever there have never been racist beliefs, there could not have ever been unacceptable racially motivated policies.
— creativesoul
That's what you call an argument is it? — Isaac
Worth noting how different the US was back then too in general, btw.
MLK might be publicly and officially revered now, but are the Black Panthers too? — ssu
Here, it would benefit us to recognize that our differences seem to be on a ontological/metaphysical level, which amounts - in some ways - to the linguistic framework we're using to account for racism and/or racist belief. Well, and we also differ in what we espouse to be the necessary method for realizing the changes needed... for making them happen! — creativesoul
An entire community so furious - so even the rich white kids who decide to go into a mall in an urban area and vandalize it during the riots are just....the fault of the government. — BitconnectCarlos
People apparently don't have agency, they're just little wind-up toys to be wound up and released and whatever damage they cause is clearly on whoever wound them up. I swear you could come across a man beating a pregnant woman and you'd be thinking "god, how could the evil forces of systemic racism/classism/capitalism/etc be doing this to her!" — BitconnectCarlos
Do you apply these standards/this account to yourself. If you were to destroy a local business, would you blame yourself or something else? — BitconnectCarlos
Plenty of these rioters are not from the community being vandalized, they're from outside. — BitconnectCarlos
However, to claim that there is no racist belief necessary in order to have systemic racism is like saying apples are not currently necessary to have apple pie. — creativesoul
Many do agree with MLK's message in his "I have a Dream" speech. I don't think they pretend. Do they even know about Huey Newton? But feel free to think that they only pretend and don't give a shit in order to create your own inherently racist America. But luckily we have you as the righteous one. So what happened to the Black Panthers, StreetlightX? If you revere them so much, perhaps you can enlighten me, really.As for the Black Panthers, they were fucking heroes and anyone who does not revere them like they do MLK ought to stop pretending they give a shit. — StreetlightX
So nothing has happened in 155 years? Things are worse. Ok.Get this through your head: the US is dealing with the same problems that have existed since the end of the civil war, in many ways in worse forms, not better. More black people die at the hands of the police in the US than they did at the height of lynchings in post-reconstruction US. — StreetlightX
Taking account of the part society plays in in the behaviour of some population is not the equivalent of assuming it is entirely responsible for everything. — Isaac
Both. — Isaac
Who are the innocent?
having nothing original, interesting or remotely sophisticated to say just pops up every couple of days to repeat the party (White House) line — Baden
To say that systemic racism does not require racist belief is part of the definition of the term, it's not something which can be established by discussion, it's just what the term means in this context. — Isaac
An all too typical 'philosophical' stance...
That's meaningless nonsensical language use. — creativesoul
No, that's what the word means and how it's used in academia and elsewhere. And as it can happily co-exist with explicit racism, it by no means obscures or denigrates that reality. In any case, you don't get moral brownie points just for not understanding a commonly-used concept. — Baden
Fundamental to that perspective is the establishment of a form of equality that extends beyond the theoretical into the lived experience of all communities and social stakeholders. — Baden
And from this vantage point, the primary ethical responsibility of the individual is to oppose the wider injustice — Baden
have a disability protected under the Americans with Disabilities Act and I can tell you that discrimination against those with disabilities is pretty rampant. Yet, you don't see us setting buildings on fire or demonizing abled people who contribute to structures of systemic blah blah blah. — BitconnectCarlos
Yes, when you divide people into oppressed and oppressor the oppressed is justified in doing what he needs to do to even the score. Any calls to the misdeeds done by the oppressed are just products or sympathizers of the oppressive system. The oppressed aren't individuals or moral agents - they're just an amorphous, oppressed blob whose singular purpose is to dismantle systemic injustice and if they need to break a few eggs to make the omelette then so be it - they're fighting evil. It's all just black and white - no shades of grey. Oppressor vs. oppressed. Poor vs. Rich. Black vs. White. People are defined by these identities are nothing more.
If you choose this vantage point, that's on you. — BitconnectCarlos
...the primary ethical responsibility of the individual is to oppose the wider injustice — Baden
Why not? — Baden
...the primary ethical responsibility of the individual is to oppose the wider injustice
Because it's incredibly unproductive and some of the those businesses we burn might even belong with disabled people. Or maybe siblings or parents of the disabled. — BitconnectCarlos
Because it's incredibly unproductive and some of the those businesses we burn might even belong with disabled people. Or maybe siblings or parents of the disabled. — BitconnectCarlos
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