You seem to have read me as saying that Heister's claim entails my claim. I didn't say that. It was simply an addition.

The media manufacture want. Typically, they do so by creating insecurities. They have to make people uncomfortable in some way and that creates the desire for easement that is then used to sell something. — unenlightened

Some will say that this constant feeling of lacking something or feeling insecure will lead to alienation from the wants of society dictated by the aliens at the top. Personally, I feel like everyone subject to the will and demand of society feel incredibly neurotic.

What's your opinion on this exploitation of basic human instincts? Do you think it's something particular to capitalism or not?

Researchers at UNcorp have devised the first and only protective head gear for you and your loved ones that will kill 99% (recognise that figure?) of all intrusive thoughts. — unenlightened

Touche.

Everyone finds them annoying; they are designed to upset. This is the whole foundation of consumer society. We at UNcorp set out to upset you, annoy you, make you anxious and fearful. — unenlightened

Then why do people still put up with this collective neurosis? Can anything be done about this predicament? Excuse me, I need to take my happy pills now.

Do you think that virtue doesn't actually have anything to do with that, or rather that it CAN'T have anything to do with that? In other words do you think it would be just a true statement, or a necessarily true statement in order for us to have a coherent account of the activity?

And it also has nothing to do with how good you are at keeping your penis away from this or that crevasse (or vice versa). — Michael

Unless I don't understand your point, I'm not in agreement. If you can't keep your penis away from someone, let's say like a Catholic priest in relation with an altar boy, then this shows that the priest had no character to begin with. Similarly, if someone lies in the face of his thinking that he is honest, then he was never and is not honest, otherwise he wouldn't have lied.

Unless I don't understand your point, I'm not in agreement. If you can't keep your penis away from someone, let's say like a Catholic priest in relation with an altar boy, then this shows that the priest had no character to begin with — Heister Eggcart

Obviously rape and child molestation are wrong. My statement was with reference to those who argue that chastity and/or monogamy are more virtuous that casual sex. Virtue has nothing to do with how good you are refraining from legal, consensual, adult sex.

Obviously rape and child molestation are wrong. — Michael

Glad we agree here! O:)

My statement was with reference to those who argue that chastity and/or monogamy are more virtuous that casual sex. — Michael

Well, I'd probably argue that. How might I be wrong?

Virtue has nothing to do with how good you are refraining from legal, consensual, adult sex. — Michael

Mmm, virtue has everything to do with how badly one has failed to refrain from having sex.

virtue has everything to do with how badly one has failed to refrain from having sex. — Heister Eggcart

What about some one that does not have sex because they do not have opportunity, are they virtuous?

What about some one that does not have sex because they do not have opportunity, are they virtuous? — m-theory

No.

So it really has nothing to do with sex, virtue.
It has to do with resisting opportunity.

That which is immoral is not an opportunity. To resist it is to do the good.

But sex is not immoral.

Yes it is, although I won't discount there being instances where sex can be necessarily immoral.

Yes that is the point.
Sex is not necessarily immoral.

What's the point? :-|

Sex is not necessarily immoral.

Why?

Why not?

I asked you that first, you nutsack. You answer!

What makes something immoral?

The degree to which it is not moral.

So how could sex be necessarily immoral?
For example if animals have sex are they being immoral?

Yes.

Yes what?
Animals that reproduce through sex are immoral?

No.

Why not, if sex is necessarily immoral?

I never said that sex is inherently necessarily immoral.

Good.
Because that is just silly.

Yes, I agree.