That is my general philosophical position - and incidentally, it's why humankind is headed for extinction. — counterpunch
There is no alternative to acting on the basis of belief; the important thig is to make sure those beliefs are valid. I said, I don't know if the election was fraudulent - but if it was, they did the right thing. — counterpunch
They didn't do the right thing because they had no evidence that there had been voter fraud. Acting on blind belief is not doing the right thing. Even if it turned out that there had been voter fraud, they still would not have been doing the right, but their blind belief would have just happened to turn out to be true. I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if someone else has already made this point. — Janus
I don't know if the election was a fraud or not. I'm in the UK - a long way from this, and I could get just as convincing arguments from the other side, saying the 2016 vote was valid and the 2020 vote a fraud. I don't know enough to form an opinion. But I can say, both sides have made claims the election system is open to fraud - and that's not good. Particularly as, it seems, in 2016 and 2020 - the apparent results have been, or are going to be sustained. Is all this sour grapes? — counterpunch
There is no alternative to acting on the basis of belief; the important thig is to make sure those beliefs are valid. — counterpunch
That is my general philosophical position — counterpunch
I would like to agree with you, but objective truth is a very difficult thing to establish, particularly - in the midst of a politicised, polarised media frenzy. — counterpunch
When you claim that the election would be fraudulent before the actual election, then yeah. How come his followers had forgotten that? — schopenhauer1
There are around 1000 arrest related deaths, 42% white, 32% black. — counterpunch
That is my general philosophical position - and incidentally, it's why humankind is headed for extinction. It's not capitalism. It's a lack of regard for science as an increasingly valid and coherent understanding of reality, particularly, in the application of technology. — counterpunch
In fact, police arrest over 10 million people per year. There are around 1000 arrest related deaths, 42% white, 32% black. There's no racist genocide being committed by the police. — counterpunch
the same media condemn those who seek to defend democracy from what they believe is a fraudulent election. — counterpunch
What do you think the percentage of whites to blacks is? — Janus
Black people are 13% of the US population, but commit a lot more crime. — counterpunch
The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average.
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As such, the results of this study provide evidence that there is racial bias in police shootings that is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates, and is related to either: 1) racial bias in police encountering suspects/civilians, or 2) racial bias by police in the use of force upon encountering suspects/civilians.
Black Lies Matter — counterpunch
If that is indeed true it would probably be so because they are an economically and socially oppressed and disadvantaged minority. And to further complicate the issue, the statistics re population are straightforward, whereas those re crimes committed are not. — Janus
The Freudian slip is telling! — Janus
It is sometimes suggested that in urban areas with more black residents and higher levels of inequality, individuals may be more likely to commit violent crime, and thus the racial bias in police shooting may be explainable as a proximate response by police to areas of high violence and crime (community violence theory). In other words, if the environment is such that race and crime covary, police shooting ratios may show signs of racial bias, even if it is crime, not race, that is the causal driver of police shootings. In the models fit in this study, however, there is no evidence of an association between black-specific crime rates (neither in assault-related arrests nor in weapons-related arrests) and racial bias in police shootings, irrespective of whether or not other controls were included in the model. As such, the results of this study provide no empirical support for the idea that racial bias in police shootings (in the time period, 2011–2014, described in this study) is driven by race-specific crime rates (at least as measured by the proxies of assault- and weapons-related arrest rates in 2012).
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