Joking aside we need to engage more with people like Brett @NOS4A2 and especially @counterpunch as they are a real deal philosopher! (Joking not completely aside, I guess) — The Opposite
Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired. — Jonathan Swift
I have a solution, and I know it's right. I can prove it right down to the philosophical roots. I can explain where we've gone wrong and how to put it right in the same terms. I am a philosopher. My core subject is how to save the world. And I know how.
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I don't know. It seems a bit immodest to start a thread to propound my own philosophy. — counterpunch
What do you think the problems and the solutions are? — fdrake
I've admitted, numerous times, that I don't know if the election was a fraud or not. — counterpunch
The media has repeated over and over that fraud allegations are ridiculous. — Count Timothy von Icarus
I do recall lots of fraud allegations in 2016, John Oliver's video on voting machines - and people declaring Trump is "not my President." — counterpunch
Looked at in these terms the solution is obvious. — counterpunch
We just need enough energy - and it's there, beneath our feet, a big ball of molten rock 4000 miles deep and 26000 miles around — counterpunch
Climate change isn;t a social problem. It's the misapplication of technology - that occurs because, historically, the Church made science a heresy, denying "Valid knowledge of Creation" the moral authority it rightfully owns. So, we use science, but don't observe it. We apply technology as religious, political and economic ideology suggests, rather than - as a scientific understanding of reality suggests. It's a mistake - deeply buried in our philosophical history, and just never revisited. I'm revisiting it!You're proposing an engineering solution to a social problem. — Echarmion
I see. So you believe drilling to the centre of the planet in lots of places will save us all. — fdrake
(unlike BLM who were cheered on by the media as they burnt and looted businesses, causing hundreds of millions in property damage and killing over 40 people) — counterpunch
Those people, and there were a lot of them - believed there was election fraud, and they sought to occupy government. Good on them, I say. — counterpunch
Climate change isn;t a social problem. It's the misapplication of technology - that occurs because, historically, the Church made science a heresy, denying "Valid knowledge of Creation" the moral authority it rightfully owns. — counterpunch
We apply technology as religious, political and economic ideology suggests, rather than - as a scientific understanding of reality suggests. — counterpunch
No. I don't propose drilling to the core of the earth. I was explaining how vast the energy of the earth is - 4000 miles deep, 26000 miles around. We could tap that energy forever and never put a dent in it. I suggest drilling close to magma chambers, and at subduction zones, where one continental plate meets another. There are about 500 volcanic islands in the Pacific Rim - far from anywhere and surrounded by water. There's also a huge magma chamber in the US - under Yellowstone national park, but I'd leave that one alone for now. It's too large, and too close to civilisation to make it a test subject. If something goes wrong - a super-volcano would take out most of North America. And we wouldn't want that, would we! — counterpunch
The fundamental nature of the problem is not capitalism. It's our mistaken relationship to science as truth; established when Galileo was tried for heresy, for proving the earth orbits the sun using scientific method. Consequently, we have used the tools, but have not observed the instructions. We continue to act on the basis of ideological conceptions of the world; applying or withholding technology as ideological priorities dictate - and not, as a scientific understanding of reality suggests we should, assuming only we wish to survive. — counterpunch
Except Mr Trump himself. The election then was going to be rigged, remember?No one was talking about fraud in 2016. — Xtrix
Here again you are posting inaccurate figures (BLM protesters haven't killed over 40 people). — Echarmion
Did these people arrive at their conclusions using scientific rigor? Or even due dilligence? And if you're going to answer "I don't know", then how come you nevertheless conclude that what they did was good? — Echarmion
The church is a social organisation. Applying science is a social process. So I am not sure how you can write all this and not conclude that the problem is a social one. — Echarmion
Can you elaborate on how a scientific understanding of reality can tell us what to do? — Echarmion
One doesn't need to do very much reading on the HRA to realise that your explanation of the issues, conflates effect with cause. — counterpunch
I can get behind global efforts for clean energy production. Whether your magma chamber idea would be able to produce enough energy is a scientific question, if you're right, that still leaves the political problems of its implementation. — fdrake
Do you believe science has an answer to something like: "BLM protesters pulling down the statues they did is praiseworthy because it simultaneously highlights histories of oppression and dismantles symbols of that oppression"? — fdrake
Huge infrastructure costs and loss of revenues at the same time, will cause economic havoc, political instability - war, famine and death. — counterpunch
Actually, one has to do quite a lot of reading to see that I am NOT conflating effect with cause. — Bitter Crank
Certainly, there were (and are) other major factors which contribute to the wealth/poverty distribution we see today in the US. One doesn't have to be a leftist to acknowledge that. When one compares the collective performance of Immigrant groups, like Somalis, to American blacks, it is clear that big cultural differences are at work. Same for some other immigrant groups who have succeeded under difficult circumstances. — Bitter Crank
an abrupt halt to the auto/fossil fuel segment of the economy — Bitter Crank
And that happens with consumers choosing electric / fuel cell electric / hybrid vehicles with competition among the car manufacturers driving the costs down of these "alternative" fuel cars.We just have to get them to change what kinds of cars and energy they sell. The auto industry is already swinging heavily into hybrid or full electric vehicles. "Oil companies" are already rebranding themselves "energy companies" and investing in alternatives. It's just the smart thing to do, since one way or another oil's days are numbered. — Pfhorrest
And that's how in reality transformations happen. (Except that electric cars have been around since the time of the combustion engine.) And btw it is a transformation as in Germany annually roughly about 3 million cars are sold. From nothing to every tenth one is a dramatic change, counterpunch.That is a startling transformation from ...none, to not quite none - and it only took a decade! — counterpunch
Adding massive costs to the taxpayer/consumer will decrease demand, so where do need the huge energy demand on the national grid?I'd extract carbon from the air before I'd trash 47 million cars, impose massive infrastructure costs on the taxpayer/consumer, add huge energy demand to the national grid, and destabilize fossil fuel geo politics. — counterpunch
relative to Lord Elgin, who spent his entire family fortune to save the marbles of the Acropolis, which at the time was being used as an ammo dump in a war between the Greeks and the Turks. — counterpunch
26 September 1687: After the Ottoman conquest, it [the Parthenon] was turned into a mosque in the early 1460s. On 26 September 1687, an Ottoman ammunition dump inside the building was ignited by Venetian bombardment during a siege of the Acropolis. The resulting explosion severely damaged the Parthenon and its sculptures.
From 1801 to 1812, agents of Thomas Bruce, 7th Earl of Elgin removed about half of the surviving sculptures of the Parthenon, as well as sculptures from the Propylaea and Erechtheum.
Adding massive costs to the taxpayer/consumer will decrease demand, so where do need the huge energy demand on the national grid? — ssu
And just what do have in mind with destabilizing fossil fuel geopolitics? Start a civil war in Saudi-Arabia and have the US attack Iran and Venezuela? — ssu
it still presents a problem regarding demand on the national grid. Displacing carbon emissions is not the same as not producing them. — counterpunch
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