Did it ever?As a man you should not complain too loudly about difficulty or pain, you should expect hardship and bear the burden, you should never use your physical strength to harm those weaker than you, you should use your strength to help those weaker than you, you should be the first to volunteer, et al.
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My question is this: do you think that this version of masculinity has a place in the modern world? — BigThoughtDropper
Yes, that's what I was trying to suggest by "perhaps due to the traditional straitjackets of gender-socialization" followed by "built" and then "need" (the latter in quotes) as expectations not biological traits, etc. — 180 Proof
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Last summer I tried using prostitutes and found it surprisingly affordable. — Bitter Crank
Do explain and illustrate with an example. — baker
Art is no luxury. — Manuel
My knee-jerk reaction would-be to say that to conform, in one way or another, is a necessary part of our adolescent development, — BigThoughtDropper
Forcing people to "fit in" can be immensely destructive. @T Clark appears to wish that there were normative forces at play in our biology, but that looks to me to be an instance of the naturalistic fallacy.Boys need to develop the masculine virtues. Men need to develop the feminine ones. Otherwise, one will be lopsided. First become what you are, and then transcend it. — unenlightened
If after we are long gone, an alien intelligence visits Earth and pokes around, they are going to think art was about it. They won't be impressed with anything else. Hopefully they will be able to hear our music. — James Riley
Boys need to develop the masculine virtues. Men need to develop the feminine ones. Otherwise, one will be lopsided. First become what you are, and then transcend it. — unenlightened
There are masculine virtues? — Possibility
There are masculine virtues?
— Possibility
Yes. They are sealed in a vault somewhere in Texas. — Joshs
Then what do you think it has to do with? — TaySan
Hum, what would we want in a captain of the ship or a captain of industry? Bill Gates is a take-charge person and he has accomplished a lot. We might not like how he got to the top, but we have all benefited from what he accomplished.
The Dalai Lama is very different from Bill Gates, and for all the good of his leadership, I don't think his leadership would lead to a high standard of living with schools and hospitals and the industry for a — Athena
There's a bit in Terry Pratchett's fantasy novel "Reaper Man" where a lady fortune teller is trying to get past the gates of the (entirely male) Unseen University but a wizard is barring the way. He says "my good woman" a lot in that affable seemingly harmless way which really really angers the fortune teller. I can see now with your description what Pratchett was getting at. — BigThoughtDropper
Do explain and illustrate with an example. — baker
We have all this extra energy after we're done with basic needs. Then we go on putting colors on walls, or rhyming, then on to novels and films and paintings.
Not being precise exactly, speaking more loosely: it's as if whatever we create is the purpose for existence, whatever it is. And often it's some strange thing we call art. — Manuel
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