In "defending" themselves against the Palesistinians, what are the limits in terms of civilian causalities Israel can justifiably inflict relative to the civilian casualties they themselves have endured? — Baden
. So, please stay on topic. — Baden
I am comparing them to something else to show how exaggerated the vilification of Israel is. — Andrew4Handel
Please be aware that a criticism of Islam could lead to the UK Labour Party turning itself inside out for several years — counterpunch
I Have always voted labour but they have made themselves unelectable and I feel relieved when they get thrashed in elections. I won't stoop to voting Tory so I may have to vote an independent candidate next time. — Andrew4Handel
and I will vote Tory. They may be horrible bastards, but it works economically — counterpunch
The obsession with Israel is really pathological. — Andrew4Handel
Jews have traditionally voted Labour - and so do Muslims. They are fighting for control of the party. — counterpunch
Jews have traditionally voted Labour - and so do Muslims. They are fighting for control of the party. So the Israel/Palestine conflict (and every other conflict of identity) is occurring within the Labour Party, as well as in the middle east — counterpunch
No one's support of the Palestine seems to be unbiased and often relies on canards and lies including blood libel. — Andrew4Handel
I have never understood why being left wing means you have to oppose Israel. I think the reason most people oppose Israel is Left wing ideology, Islamic pressure or simple anti-Semitism. A lot of Muslims in the UK actually support Israel but they are not allowed to do so publicly. A lot of Iranians support Israel because they don't support the Iranian regime and its support of war and terrorism. No one's support of the Palestine seems to be unbiased and often relies on canards and lies including blood libel. — Andrew4Handel
Here's a thing to keep in mind: if everyone who disagrees with you looks biased and dishonest to you, it's exceedingly likely you are yourself biased and dishonest. — Echarmion
You are the argument. Thank you. — StreetlightX
I presume the absurd attempted distractions concerning communism and UK politics will continue until they are modded out, but that anyone with any sense will ignore them. — Baden
"Property is theft" — Andrew4Handel
Yes you're right. It's mostly a way of talking about how people are trapped in an open air prison and being massacred. All while going through Covid and caloric restrictions. — Manuel
Can you believe Baden just deleted several posts? I think he may be too deeply invested in this issue, and doesn't like us expressing views different from his own. We should both become Muslim loving Commies so we can continue to use this site. — counterpunch
Hamas has created the prison. After the Israelis withdrew their settlements on the strip they have launched non stop aggression and murdered their political opponents including Fatah. — Andrew4Handel
Israel only withdrew there settlements because they could reap no benefit from the land, not due to good will. — Manuel
I am from Bristol in the South West. A hot bed of leftism and Pro-Palestinian activism. I am embarrassed for voting for Corbyn because I now consider him very Anti-Semitic. — Andrew4Handel
Hamas is ugly, but they fight back — Manuel
Israel withdrew their settlements by forcing the settlers out. — Andrew4Handel
After that Hamas took control and killed the Fatah opposition. They forced Israel to have a blockade as self defence and their charter calls for the extermination of Israel. Hamas is collectively punishing Gaza. — Andrew4Handel
What do you want Israel to do? — Andrew4Handel
Fight back against what? Israel left the the Gaza strip making it a Jew free territory and Hamas used it to fire rockets into Israel. When has Hamas tried to negotiate a peace? — Andrew4Handel
They didn't belong in Gaza in the first place. — Manuel
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