I'm seeking out those who disagree with this proposition: Science is a good thing, to see what their arguments are. — Banno
A very 'Mercan view. Elsewhere guns are generally considered bad, or at best a necessary evil.I see science like I see a gun... neither good nor bad. — James Riley
Elsewhere guns are generally considered bad, or at best a necessary evil. — Banno
Science is not neutral; rather it is the information needed to work out what to do next. — Banno
But the story is such that what one takes from it the that one should blindly and unquestionably obey what God commands. — Fooloso4
If he brought reason to the relationship he would have baulked and challenged God. He actually did this later when God was ready to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah. — Fooloso4
Says who?
— Possibility
I provided the reference. Proverbs says "wisdom is fear of the Lord". — Fooloso4
...and here's the thrust of the argument, so far as there is one:
Yes, the application of science has brought about much that is unwanted. Nevertheless, our best chance at ameliorating these results lies not in rejecting science but in following it. — Banno
If science is the information needed to work out what to do next, then it is neutral. — James Riley
Other places do not give guns to children, nor have regular mass shootings in schools.Everywhere else is illogical. — James Riley
If science is the information needed to work out what to do next, then it is neutral.
— James Riley
...that just doesn't work. If it is going to help decide between our options, then it cannot be neutral towards them If it is neutral it cannot help us make a decision. — Banno
Other places do not give guns to children, nor have regular mass shootings in schools. — Banno
That is in line much of the rhetoric from the gun lobby.That does work. Information is not going to help decide. People decide, not information. People use information. Information is a tool and nothing by itself. — James Riley
That is in line much of the rhetoric from the gun lobby. — Banno
Science is not neutral; rather it is the information needed to work out what to do next.
— Banno
If science is the information needed to work out what to do next, then it is neutral. Like actionable intelligence, like the gun, needed information is just a thing, as is unneeded information, or wrong information. It all boils down to the people using or failing to use it. — James Riley
There is no point in human experience at which information exists unaffected, except as meaningless noise. — Possibility
How do you think we distinguish between needed and unneeded information? — Possibility
If science is needed information, how can it then be neutral? — Possibility
Science is our limited capacity to reliably describe the ongoing distribution of attention and effort within a system, of which the observer is always the missing aspect. — Possibility
Perhaps raising it will amount to throwing the religious blowfish back. — Banno
With the benefit of hindsight, it looks as if Popper’s criterion of demarcation proved so attractive to so many in part because it was amorphous...
this might be interesting: SIX SIGNS OF SCIENTISM — Banno
a Christian can claim that the bible constitutes evidence, but it seems clear that it cannot constitute what could be counted as empirical evidence. — Janus
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