No, but a probable personal catastrophe if one accepts the COVID vaccine.The choice then, if choice is so important to us, is between a certain health catastrophe if one refuses the COVID vaccine and a probable political catastrophe if one accepts the COVID vaccine. — TheMadFool
But I still think it’s well-established that the risks from COVID are far higher than the risks from any of the vaccines. — Wayfarer
My body, my choice. Their body, their choice.What are the arguments for and against the responsibility that individuals might be thought to bear to accept a Covid 19 vaccine? What are the arguments for and against the right that individuals might be thought to enjoy to refuse a Covid 19 vaccine?
14h — Janus
If he says "do it", all the computers in the world can go from functioning machines to being useless pieces of metal junk. — god must be atheist
Sure, but being skeptical or cautious about the safety of the Covid vaccines (which have not undergone the usual mandatory 10-15 years of testing that vaccines undergo) does not equate to being an anti-vaxxer per se. — Janus
We take much greater risks every time we walk out the door. — James Riley
What is this party line supposed to do?? — baker
What an extremely uncharitable position to take!It's supposed to get people to rethink their alleged thinking. Same with the lotteries, game tickets, etc. In other words, "risk" is not really the reason most of these people don't get the vaccine. They are either scared or petulant. — James Riley
I think many people who refuse to get vaccinated or who are skeptical about taking (experimental) vaccines are so because the medical and the political establishment are abusing their trust.
We are in the position where we're expected to trust our lives to people who don't have time for us, who don't listen to us, who treat us like cattle, who are misrepresenting statistical findings, who are cynical, and some of whom have a personal history of betraying people's trust.
Are you not scared to put your life in the hands of such people? — baker
Since when has the medical profession conducted itself like the military industrial complex? The Spanish Flu? — James Riley
We take much greater risks every time we walk out the door. — James Riley
My reference was to Leprosy and the Black Death. Here's a thesis you can argue with if you like. When the stakes are cultural survival, individual rights are irrelevant. When there is a disease like leprosy with no cure that is a slow, disfiguring, death sentence, we the civilised democratic decent religious or irreligious people, care more to keep our society healthy than the rights of lepers. This is a stronger imperative than war, because one can be defeated in war and survive. — unenlightened
Basically we have to distinguish between "outdoor risks" and "indoor risks". — god must be atheist
Arguments for: protection of ones health, protection of fellow man, protection of the vulnerable, collaboration and cooperation, developing trust, facing group adversity with a group effort, civil duty (just as washing your hands and practising good hygiene also protects everyone else), — Benj96
Yes, it's unfortunate that valid conjectures and concerns were debunked in the minds of many simply because Trump touted them. — Janus
I wish I had the freedom not to be expected to go along with the hysteria of the provaxxers and I wish I had the freedom not to be expected to go along with the hysteria of the antivaxxers. But we don't live in a free world. — baker
But we chose to take a risk. We take much greater risks every time we walk out the door. — James Riley
We wouldn't want to become Europe, after all. — James Riley
the zombie apocalypse — frank
Risk is so hard to quantify for individual cases, though. — Janus
Some of us already are Europe, alas. — unenlightened
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