If moral norms and values are the prescriptions and values of God, then God is one confused, mixed up motherfucker... — creativesoul
I think we have paid attention.
However, if countries with higher GDP per capita are less likely to tie belief in God to morality, this would appear to confirm the position of theists, viz., that the wealthier people are, the more they are inclined to believe in material possessions and less in God.
Otherwise put, man cannot have two masters, it’s either God or Mammon (Matthew 6:24). And the rich often go for the latter. The article seems to support this. — Apollodorus
Some people have moral norms and values despite not believing in God. — creativesoul
Comprehension, on the other hand, and non-superficial reading skills, are very good to have on a philosophy website. What you said here I covered in the first one or two sentences in the same post that you are critiquing. — god must be atheist
We differ on well-documented facts — 180 Proof
This must be why in Anno Domini 1998 His Holiness the fucking the Pope issued an official apology for the role Catholics had played in and during the Shoah:Facile anti Catholic hatredaside, it is a fact that the Catholic Church resisted Nazism to a greater degree than any other Christian denomination. — Olivier5
The apology was for not having done anything to stop the Holocaust, not for "their role in the Holocaust". Try again, with less hatred in your heart. — Olivier5
Do interests in hobbies music science poetry gardening philosophy count as belief in material possessions? — jorndoe
Nobody did much to try and stop the Holocaust. Even the people in the known and able to do something impactful, like the allied, did very little to try and stop it. So why single out the CC now, if not because of some old anti-catholic prejudice? — Olivier5
Marx achieved far more than Hitler. You can say what you want of Stalin but the USSR was a country of peasants in 1917, and it won the space race less than 50 years later, while also winning the second world war in the meantime... So communism did work for them, in a way that Nazism did not. — Olivier5
However, Marx never achieved anything personally, did he? His only “achievements” were through Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong and other dictators and mass murderers. — Apollodorus
Marx has been the most impactful philosopher of all times, — Olivier5
He may have been "impactful" due to the massive propaganda by Engels and many others and, as I said, through the actions of his disciples like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. — Apollodorus
I disagree. I think he was genuine and correct on many issues, like his analysis of the internal contradictions of capitalism and the shameless exploitation of workers. His prescription for the future were ill-founded and did fail, ultimately, but not before having done a lot of good things. Relax and drink your vodka.However, Marxist political theory has long been exposed as deliberately ambiguous, inconsistent, and nonsensical. This is the true reason behind communism's abject failure. Marx was a fraud. — Apollodorus
IMO it's better to be a "peasant" than to be dead. — Apollodorus
I would rather be a farmer under Stalin than a Jew under Hitler. — Olivier5
I was not critiquing anything, mind you. — Olivier5
I don't see any difference. — Apollodorus
Facile anti Catholic hatred aside, it is a fact that the Catholic Church resisted Nazism to a greater degree than any other Christian denomination. — Olivier5
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