I don’t think so, but it’s fine if you do. Hell.....I don’t even know what a mental state actually is. — Mww
How would I know it, such that it couldn’t be anything else?
So yeah, I think there are a few paths open in TI. — Manuel
I'm not calling you crazy, I'm saying your claim is crazy. I didn't mean any offense. Idealism is completely out there, so I know about making crazy-seeming claims. — RogueAI
Look at a red thing, stub a toe, lose a loved one (though hopefully not). I'm looking at a red object in my room. I'm having the experience of seeing red. There is something that is it like for me to see this red object: me seeing this red object. — RogueAI
I’d reverse that. Neuroscience always operates at a delay with respect to more abstract psychological subfields. — Joshs
the apparently external world... — Wayfarer
it is misleads us from the very start. It requires years of misleading philosophical study before one begins to doubt the human instinctive sense of realism. — Banno
And good that we do mistrust this instinct, it led to the great discoveries made by Galileo and Newton. The way the world is (absent us) , is not the way it appears to us. — Manuel
In short - the world is not simply given. It is in some fundamental sense projected by the observing mind. The sense in which it exists outside of or apart from that mind is an empty question, because nothing we can know is ever outside of or apart from the act of knowing by which we are concious of the existence of the world in the first place. This doesn't mean the world is all in my mind, but that the mind - yours, mine, the species and cultural mind of h. sapiens - is an inextricable foundation of the world we know, but we can't see it, because it is what we're looking through, and with. — Wayfarer
Please, if you would, clarify / explicate the non-trivial differences between "intrinsic" and "non-intrinsic" (modes? degrees? types? of) "reality". — 180 Proof
The “experience of seeing red” isn’t a “different kind of object”, it’s just a configuration of the brain. — khaled
Some see the world as inherently divided in twain, and then feels a need to choose one side or the other. Idealists choose mind. There are materialists who do much the same thing, only to choose the opposite side. The victims of Descartes' folly. — Banno
The point I was making was that the materialist position was stronger a a century so ago when we felt we had a good grip on what matter was and it seemed like all that was left was to tie up some loose ends. The problem is in claiming all reality is something, and then being unable to define what that something is — Count Timothy von Icarus
What evidence could you possibly have that the world is "in some fundamental sense projected by the observing mind." — Janus
How would you explain the easily testable fact that we all project the same objects in the same locations except by appealing to a collective mind? — Janus
we divide the world up conceptually in ways which reflect the actual structures which appear to us as objects and events, as well as the actual hidden structures of our own constitutions? — Janus
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