We have to develop a better educational system and teach how bad the violence is. I feel we are living in an Era where people literally do not care about harm others. For this reason, it is time to focus on Ethics and provide more empathy along our relationships — javi2541997
you have to participate in a system that essentially incentivises you to get ahead at any cost? — ChatteringMonkey
I feel we are living in an Era where people literally do not care about harm others. — javi2541997
I remember in my school my philosophy teacher never told me anything about Tao Te Ching neither Confucius. — javi2541997
being a dreamer! — TheMadFool
, it might be better to teach/model the benefits of community and cooperation. — Tom Storm
And how specifically would they help in the West? — Tom Storm
I guess it can help in the West because it develops our paradigm. We can learn through Asian philosophy that there are other paths to grow up as a good person, or at least civic one. — javi2541997
What specific ideas would help and how? What is your evidence that these ideas make a difference? — Tom Storm
Thank you so much! I have in mind many weird aspects about "changing the world" but I end up unmotivated due to how drastic and cruel the world can be. — javi2541997
What you don't want yourself, don't do to others. This is the Golden Rule with negatives, and so sometimes is called the "Silver Rule." This version is more in the right spirit of morality, which is to prohibit harmful and unjust actions or violations moral autonomy. — javi2541997
I recently debated with Amity how important is to bring up on the table the serious issue of how violent our society is becoming. There are a lot of sad news about riots and fights where turns out the people involved are young (between 17 or 24 years old. For example: Luiz case Spain. — javi2541997
I know this thread is old but it is so necessary to put it on the table. It is crazy how the violence increased drastically in the recent years. A group of teenagers killed another citizen of 24 years old just for a simple discussion. Also a group of Dutch citizens murdered another one from their country just because was “fun” getting involved in a riot or fighting against strangers. — javi2541997
I feel we are living in an Era where people literally do not care about harm others.
— javi2541997
I know its very popular to think so but what evidence do you have that society is more violent or dangerous and getting more so? — Tom Storm
One of the main goals should be teach to kids how outrageous is the violence and how important is respect other people’s lives and integrity. — javi2541997
Measures are being introduced to try to identify what is driving rising murder rates in the wake of a spike in teenage deaths in some of the UK’s homicide hotspots...
The development comes during a sharp rise in teenage murders and as concern grows that feuds aggravated by Covid lockdowns and months out of education will play out over the summer. Sources from the mayor of London’s violence reduction unit (VRU), which is coordinating the capital’s homicide reviews, say that by examining the murders of older teenagers and by involving children’s services they hope to understand why young people are increasingly drawn into violence...
Police intelligence confirms that gangs have targeted pupils out of school for disciplinary reasons or because of coronavirus restrictions – more than one million children in England were out of school in a single week last month for Covid-19-related reasons – a record absence rate...
Murder rates in London are now broadly in line with last year’s total of 127 murders; what is causing fresh concern is the proportion of teenage homicides, which has increased from a quarter of that total to around a third. So far, 22 teenagers have been killed in the capital this year compared with 14 in the whole of 2020. The youngest is 14-year-old Fares Maatou who died in April after being attacked in east London.
More widely, the data appears to continue trends observed last year when the number of homicide victims aged between 16 and 24 rose to 142 across the country in the 12 months to March 2020 – an increase of 32 on the previous year...
Harding said that pre-existing levels of violence caused by alcohol and drug consumption were compounded in regions such as south Wales by the latest development in the violent drugs business model – county lines.
Instead of gangs sending individuals to, say, Cardiff from Manchester, Harding said, they were now recruiting local dealers into their ranks, a development that was causing fresh tensions and violence. — Police review teen killings in search of catalyst for spike in murders
I only want to improve our educational system with the goal of avoiding violence — javi2541997
Exclusions are not a punishment or a deterrent: they’re a day off school.
Excluding pupils for a long period of time means they miss valuable teaching time and are immediately put at a disadvantage. — tes.com: a student take on why exclusions don't work
Psychopathic elites in power acting as role models. — Amity
A controversial issue in rap and hip-hop culture since its inception has been the violence and aggression of its hardcore styles. The prevalence of misogyny, sexism and sexual violence in the lyrics of the most-popular gangsta rap lyrics triggered public debate about obscenity and indecency and was a topic of U.S. Senate hearings during the mid-1990s.
A very raw person might actually prefer a bodily confrontation to endless discussions. — Heiko
It will take more than that. Perhaps by looking at why the education system itself fails pupils.
Using punishment measures including exclusions and isolation booths for bad behaviour.
Exclusions are not a punishment or a deterrent: they’re a day off school.
Excluding pupils for a long period of time means they miss valuable teaching time and are immediately put at a disadvantage — Amity
think both children and adults know exactly how outrageous violence is. Victims and perpetrators alike.
When it comes to gangs involved in e.g. drug feuds and targeting pupils out of school, then the question is how to reach them and change behaviour. Why do gangs exist ?
This is not a new phenomenon - here's a history of Glasgow gangs:
It starts with a black and white photo of 'A gang fight on Tollcross Road, Parkhead in 1933'
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/history/history-glasgows-street-gangs-tongs-12252432 — Amity
This a problem we have to face then. This is why I want to develop a criteria where probably ethics can lead us in a more pacific relationship. Despite the fact most of the people want confrontation, doesn't mean endless discussions are clueless or worthless. To be honest I defend if we develop more dialogues probably we would limit or avoid wars, riots, chaos, etc... — javi2541997
I disagree with your point that most of the people know how outrageous violence is. I feel like literally the young people love this issue. — javi2541997
They are most of the time making riots and not respecting the authority at all... — javi2541997
In the UK, more than 2,000 people who took part in Extinction Rebellion protests are being taken through the court system in what experts say is one of the biggest crackdowns on protest in British legal history. The scientists also raise concern about efforts to silence climate protests in other parts of the world from the US to France, the Philippines to India. — The Guardian - Environmental activism being criminalised
Most of the people do not care at all. Instead of giving a good image as a young people they only make messes and chaos. — javi2541997
Thank you so much! I have in mind many weird aspects about "changing the world" but I end up unmotivated due to how drastic and cruel the world can be.
— javi2541997
Cruel? That means you're no longer a dreamer pal! Join the :broken: Dreams Club. — TheMadFool
The experts warn that just months before a crucial global climate conference due to be held in Glasgow later this year, it is more important than ever that these groups are able to put pressure on politicians and highlight the role polluting corporations are playing in the escalating ecological crisis.
The letter states: “It has become abundantly clear that governments don’t act on climate without pressure from civil society: threatening and silencing activists thus seems to be a new form of anti-democratic refusal to act on climate … [we] therefore urge all governments, courts and legislative bodies around the world to halt and reverse attempts to criminalise nonviolent climate protest.” — The Guardian
There have been to many of those who were legitimated by history. — Heiko
I am talking about violence without a solid base. — javi2541997
You think you are alone in seeing this - that you are somehow exceptional ? — Amity
I disagree and think you are wrong to come to such a generalised conclusion. — Amity
But what could such a "solid base of violence" be? — Heiko
Killing another person just because is funny or different from me... This is happening more than ever. — javi2541997
In certain areas including Wuxuan County and Wuming District, massive human cannibalism occurred even though no famine existed; according to public records available, at least 137 people—perhaps hundreds more—were eaten by others and at least thousands of people participated in the cannibalism
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methods of slaughter included "beheading, beating, live burial, stoning, drowning, boiling, group slaughters, disemboweling, digging out hearts, livers, genitals, slicing off flesh, blowing up with dynamite, and more
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In one case, according to official records, a person was bound to dynamites on the back and was blown up into pieces by other people—just for fun
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In another case of 1968, "a geography instructor named Wu Shufang (吴树芳) was beaten to death by students at Wuxuan Middle School. Her body was carried to the flat stones of the Qian River where another teacher was forced at gunpoint to rip out the heart and liver. Back at the school the pupils barbecued and consumed the organs.
So it seems that Confucius and Chinese philosophy was not much help .... — Apollodorus
Certain groups of people who perhaps have more time and energy can shake us all out of complacency.
Also, they are armed with knowledge...from scientists.
The experts warn that just months before a crucial global climate conference due to be held in Glasgow later this year, it is more important than ever that these groups are able to put pressure on politicians and highlight the role polluting corporations are playing in the escalating ecological crisis.
The letter states: “It has become abundantly clear that governments don’t act on climate without pressure from civil society: threatening and silencing activists thus seems to be a new form of anti-democratic refusal to act on climate … [we] therefore urge all governments, courts and legislative bodies around the world to halt and reverse attempts to criminalise nonviolent climate protest.”
— The Guardian — Amity
Already joined :broken: :up: :rofl: — javi2541997
I'm gonna f**k your dreams until they wish they were your nightmares! — Sonia Kincaid
The example you wrote above increases my arguments. It does not mater if we are in Asia or West. Guangxi massacre is another example as Holocaust. Society acting violent because the lack of ethics. — javi2541997
China has a high rate of domestic violence. In 2004, the All-China Women’s Federation compiled survey results to show that thirty percent of the women in China experienced domestic violence within their homes.
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