So, the assumption of 1 bottle is an error.But does it have to be imagined? Perhaps the person who describes the bottle in the room as blue did in fact see a blue bottle in the room that was subsequently replaced with the green bottle the first man saw? — Outlander
Then, an explanation of an eye condition was needed to account for the difference.Perhaps he has some odd eye condition or whatever that made him simply see it as blue. — Outlander
Yes, information is subject to error when it is human knowledge.But it was, everything, even assuming they were complete lies, were equally information until investigated. — Outlander
I don't see how the confusion persists. I'm not trying to evade any example but they seem consistent with my account. Did I miss a chance to be confused?So does that mean information not personally confirmed are but clues? Lies? Possibilities? Relative? — Outlander
But you chose the quote, so presumably you think it has some merit. What I am pointing to it the capacity for this thread to be nonsense disguised as physics. — Banno
I don't see how the confusion persists. I'm not trying to evade any example but they seem consistent with my account. Did I miss a chance to be confused? — Cheshire
Some of it's information about the other room and some is imagined. One or more is inaccurate. When I enter the room I make my own assessment and compare notes. The part that doesn't change probably isn't imaginary. — Cheshire
please point out the arguments and logic that are flawed, — Pop
1.The opening paragraph is at best dubious, perhaps nonsense. — Banno
2. The posited definitions are ambiguous — Banno
3. Much of the discussion that follows is unverifiable, metaphysical meandering. — Banno
1.The opening paragraph is at best dubious, perhaps nonsense.
— Banno
Specific reasons? — Pop
In a moment of consciousness All of one’s historical information ( biological and social ), bodily sensation, and environmental information is integrated to a point, — Pop
In a moment of consciousness All of one’s historical information ( biological and social ), bodily sensation, and environmental information is integrated to a point,
— Pop
What does that mean? — Banno
Yes. A lot of what we know is what people tell us and some of it isn't correct.Ok, so, can we agree that information is "an idea that can be conveyed that may or may not be subject to error"? aka flat out wrong? — Outlander
Equal in the sense of a subjective experience. Absolute accurate account should correspond to some state of affairs if it's indeed absolutely accurate. We don't place the same value on both types for obvious reasons. But, if information is an unknown error, then it is experienced like information that is accurate by definition.basically a flat out lie is information, though wrong, remains equal with an absolute accurate account? alongside a deeply held belief of something that just so happens to be wrong? — Outlander
Informational structure goes all the way down. Assuming electromagnetism is the fundamental substance, then a Wavicle is the finest grain of reality. When two Wavicles integrate, it is their information ( frequency and amplitude ) that is combined. This Wavicular combination continues until the energy density becomes an elementary particle. The elementary particles combine to form atoms, atoms combine to form molecules, molecules combine to form proteins, proteins combine to form cellular structure, on, and on. What is combining is the form of one substance with another - so it is information that is combining. We evolve as an informational structure. This is also true for all our social history, where experience creates informational structure as per neuroplasticity. Environmental data has its neural correlates. So, a moment of consciousness is created when all of this information comes to a point. — Pop
And if objects literally process information, then we have a bunch of intelligence all around us. — Manuel
I'm not buying into that. It's a mess. It's not physics, and it's not philosophy. It's nearest parallel is theology.
This is what happens when engineers try to do metaphysics. — Banno
information is data plus meaning — frank
And understood would imply it fits already established informational structure.
— Pop
That's in the previous post. :up: — frank
Lemma: A subset A⊂S of a set S can contain more information conditional to the set than the set itself...
A direct consequence is that we can lose information when we merge two sets. An even stronger result is:
Lemma: An element of a set can contain more information than the set itself.
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