I also think any moral system based on fear is not a moral system. That's mafia morality. — Tom Storm
a lot of morally repugnant behavior happens because of god beliefs - female circumcision; homophobia; misogyny; capital punishment; prohibitions on birth control (leading to AIDS and overpopulation and cruelty to unwanted children). — Tom Storm
Personally, I grew up with discussion about what constituted sin and in a lot of ways the focus was on petty matters rather than the essentials of morality and ethics. — Jack Cummins
:up: :smirk:There are always those who want to eff the ineffable. They don't know what the eff they are talking about. — Fooloso4
Given that our problems are man-made and consecrated / canonized by religion (i.e. the cure that infects us), make the world "a better place" for whom to do what?So are we sure that world would be a better place without religions?! — dimosthenis9
Replace h. sapiens.If you gonna make people stop believing in religions then WHAT could replace God?
(A) Breed sociopathy / psychopathy out of the species. (B) Replace the hedonic treadmill with eudaimonism as basis of socioeconomy and therefore life-long pedagogy. (C) Good luck with that ...How can you convince people to be "good" ???
Ethics are not "given" (re the Euthyphro) but is the reflective application – praxis – of empathy and fairness based on the constitutive eusociality of (our) species for adaptively striving against (our) atavistic, cognitive defects (i.e. reducing (our shared) miseries).So what else could take God's role to "give" the Ethics that people should follow??
"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." ~Steven WeinbergOn the basis that you teach kids for example to "act good" cause God says so — dimosthenis9
Are these what Christianity teaches for example and you blame religions for that?Don't think so. All what you mention happen cause people fail to act good EVEN when they believe in God. I m scared of what is going to happen if you tell humans that God isn't "there" anymore. — dimosthenis9
There actually is an answer to this: Gaiasm. — hypericin
"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." ~Steven Weinberg — 180 Proof
Ethics are not "given" (re the Euthyphro) but is the reflective application – — 180 Proof
(A) Breed sociopathy / psychopathy out of the species. (B) Replace the hedonic treadmill with eudaimonism as basis of socioeconomy and therefore life-long pedagogy. (C) Good luck with that ... — 180 Proof
make the world "a better place" for whom to do what? — 180 Proof
Yes, this is what many Christians teach and believe — Tom Storm
Many of these interpretations result in terrible harm and behavior. — Tom Storm
Christians are people. It's not Christianity's fault that people make shit out of it. It's the same way in what we talked before with Talibans. You can't blame Islam. — dimosthenis9
Christians are people. — dimosthenis9
So why don't you blame the people who make these wrong interpretations and you blame religions? — dimosthenis9
.If you gonna make people stop believing in religions then WHAT could replace God? How can you convince people to be "good" ??? — dimosthenis9
Read some histories of religion (re: e.g. Crusades, Inquisition, witch hunts, pogroms, "promised land" ethnic cleansings, "holy wars", supports for marital rape & genital mutilation & homophobia & slavery & human sacrifices ...) Weinberg's observation is an apt generalization.Don't agree with Mr Steven. Not at all. — dimosthenis9
How we use (exploit, waste, despoil) the world is the problem that's at the root of all of our other problems, therefore we can't "make the world a better place" for ourselves as a species so long as we inhabit the world.Hmm..What about for us for start?
What can replace Santa Claus? Magic? Faith? :roll:What can replace God?
Read some histories of religion (re: e.g. Crusades, Inquisition, witch hunts, pogroms, "promised land" ethnic cleansings, "holy wars", supports for marital rape & genital mutilation & homophobia & slavery & human sacrifices ...) — 180 Proof
We can pass moral judgment on religious texts, they therefore do not define morals — jorndoe
What you mention is Human history not religion history. — dimosthenis9
No. There is not any evidence that 'something & not-something' (i.e. atoms & void) were "created"; therefore, there's is not a "creator" or cause of 'something & not-something'. Best evidence: 'something & not-something' is just the brute fact. "Chance" merely describes the contingent interplay, or transformations, of 'something into not-something into something-else' ad infinitum and is, therefore, a derivative effect and not a cause of (chance) itself.Why have atheists rejected a creator? My best guess is that they've got an alternate answer for the fundamental question of metaphysics: why is there somethingrather thannothing? The short answer: Chance. — TheMadFool
:yawn:I haven't even read any religion to support "go and kill others cause God wants". — dimosthenis9
Why have atheists rejected a creator? My best guess is that they've got an alternate answer for the fundamental question of metaphysics: why is there something rather than nothing? — TheMadFool
I am an atheist but I don't tend to trade in answers. And I don't buy the question: why is there something rather than nothing? It's not a question I have ever asked or have ever thought would be worth asking — Tom Storm
. No one can miss the point this many times unless it's deliberate — Tom Storm
Well, as demonstrated here, you were quite a poor student of religion — 180 Proof
I've already pointed out that with or without religion, people would make the world the shithole it is for most of us. Yo — 180 Proof
You're asking the wrong question. — 180 Proof
Yeah. It's useful like alcohol (e.g. disinfectant), but religion is also more easily abused (e.g. booze). — 180 Proof
I don't think you are a genuine interlocutor — Tom Storm
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