But to put more people into the situation of [having to work] would be wrong until that problem is solved. — schopenhauer1
So... not only are we born without consent, but we are born into a world where we will be forced to work if we want to live. — Bitter Crank
I'm not deriving an ought from is, juat disagreeing with you that the human predicament of laboring to survive is a "political agenda". — 180 Proof
You see any other alternative? — dimosthenis9
Workers of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains and a world to gain. — Bitter Crank
Don't put more workers (people who have to work) into the world in the first place. — schopenhauer1
Oh, you want to opt out? You see te irony right? — schopenhauer1
Well no. Not really. — dimosthenis9
You're forced by necessity to work, not by other people. Other people simply give you more opportunities to work. — Michael
I think it's rather narrow-minded and self-servingly convenient to make the distinction between a forced situation at the hands of a person, and a forced situation by the hands of circumstances of the life game. — schopenhauer1
You need food to live, and so some way or another must put in some work, whether that work be hunting animals and foraging for plants or employment in exchange for money to purchase food. Unless you can expect welfare and/or charity. — Michael
The very call to not participate in something anymore is the very right taken away by the DE FACTO situation of the game itself. That is to say, sure, you can opt out of work but the consequences will eventually be starvation, homelessness, hacking it in the wilderness and dying a slow death, MAYBE free riding (making it other people's problem), or outright suicide. Of course everyone cannot free ride otherwise even more dire consequences for the whole system of (used) workers. You don't have to worry about any of those dire consequences by not participating in this thread. However, a worker who decides they are done working cannot afford such luxury. — schopenhauer1
What's funny is the very fact that this is an obvious truth makes people think it is still okay to enact on others :rofl:. Just more political agenda. — schopenhauer1
However entering the economic system itself was a forced game. Yes it has to be played to survive but the fact that we are forced to play it at all lest we die an agonizing slow death by starvation or scary prospect of outright suicide makes it a legitimate injustice to be philosophically and personally against. Any forced, inescapable game is a legitimate target for moral scrutiny and criticism. This is quite independent to post facto subjective evaluations of liking the game. Like the happy slave, the laborer has no other choice. Peace. — schopenhauer1
This was a reply to @Michael. I have updated the post to reflect that quote.I think it's rather narrow-minded and self-servingly convenient to make the distinction between a forced situation at the hands of a person, and a forced situation by the hands of circumstances of the life game. — schopenhauer1
What's funny is the very fact that this is an obvious truth makes people think it is still okay to enact on others :rofl:. Just more political agenda — schopenhauer1
But yield who will to their separation,
My object in living is to unite
My avocation and my vocation
As my two eyes make one in sight. — T Clark
You can take a job doing what you love to do, but the demands of the job will make you hate it—or you will pervert what you love in order that it conform to your job. — Leghorn
but the demands of the job will make you hate it—or you will pervert what you love in order that it conform to your job. — Leghorn
Plus I don't understand what political agenda has to do with that issue. — dimosthenis9
The truth is that your vocation, ie your job, takes you away from your avocation, ie, what you really love to do. — Leghorn
As to the OP, being anti-work isn't wrong if all you mean is you gripe about work. — Hanover
But if you mean you are capable of contributing to your own care and even perhaps contributing some amount to others, but choose to be more a burden than need be, yeah, you suck and are therefore immoral. — Hanover
If you're the guy who waits for others to clean his dishes, and we all do have dirty dishes, you're not the roommate any of us want, especially if you try to justify your sloth philosophically. — Hanover
My whole point is that work is an injustice because it is an inescapable [set of challenges] you are putting someone else in that can't be opted out without completely dire consequences. The very call to not participate in something anymore is the very right taken away by the DE FACTO situation of the game itself. That is to say, sure, you can opt out of work but the consequences will eventually be starvation, homelessness, hacking it in the wilderness and dying a slow death, MAYBE free riding (making it other people's problem), or outright suicide. Of course everyone cannot free ride otherwise even more dire consequences for the whole system of (used) workers. You don't have to worry about any of those dire consequences by not participating in this thread. However, a worker who decides they are done working cannot afford such luxury. — schopenhauer1
If you're the guy who waits for others to clean his dishes, and we all do have dirty dishes, you're not the roommate any of us want, especially if you try to justify your sloth philosophically. — Hanover
Are you slothful by nature, but have managed to overcome your sloth philosophically?justify your sloth philosophically.
As noted above, some people do believe, by default, that life is a blessing and worth living. Such people cannot relate to your concern.Anyways, no this isn't about me not cleaning the dishes or wanting to do "my fair share.." The whole point is that it is unjust to be put in a situation where you cannot opt out unless you die of /degradation/ or suicide.. — schopenhauer1
Anyways, no this isn't about me not cleaning the dishes or wanting to do "my fair share.." The whole point is that it is unjust to be put in a situation where you cannot opt out unless you die of depredation or suicide.. Hence I said (predicting your free rider snark): — schopenhauer1
More importantly, whether a person will have a fundamentally positive outlook on life or not appears to be beyond a person's immediate control. It appears to be something that one must be born or raised with, but isn't something that can be learned later on in life. — baker
To be anti-work is to acknowledge that you are in a no opt out game, which is indeed an injustice. Not playing along with the de facto forced situation...Your point is that life isn't fair? — Hanover
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