Why seek to move the immovable with this thread then? — Hanover
As noted above, some people do believe, by default, that life is a blessing and worth living. Such people cannot relate to your concern. — baker
I'm anti-labor (servile drudgery) because I'm pro-work (applied creativity). We thrive from the latter and merely survive by the former. Homeostasis, more more than class, is the "forced choice". A socioeconomy which consists of only labor for the vast majority of people and work for relatively few (e.g. Capitalism in all of its stages) is structurally exploitative (reductively brutalizing) and unjust (totalitarian). This is a historical / political condition, however, not an ineluctable existential fact. — 180 Proof
I suspect they would relate to that injustice only if they would be on the losing end of the no opt out game.They can't relate to my concern, but perhaps to the injustice of a no opt out game.. — schopenhauer1
Well, I'm an immanentist (re: Spinoza, Zapffe, Camus, Rosset ... ) :death: :flower:Bare Necessities → [...]→ Self−actualization → Transcendence
Maslow's Hierarchy Of Needs — TheMadFool
Well, I'm an immanentist (re: Spinoza, Zapffe, Camus, Rosset ... ) :death: :flower: — 180 Proof
you can opt out of work but the consequences will eventually be starvation, homelessness, hacking it in the wilderness and dying a slow death, MAYBE free riding (making it other people's problem), or outright suicide. — schopenhauer1
However entering the economic system itself was a forced game. — schopenhauer1
If you mean being paid money for doing something for someone else in exchange for your skills/knowledge/time, then I don't see what the big deal is. Money doesn't even need to come into it - 'economics' doesn't require 'money'. — I like sushi
I think this says it all. We don't enter it, we're in it from the get go. — I like sushi
The big deal is what you said here:
I think this says it all. We don't enter it, we're in it from the get go.
— I like sushi — schopenhauer1
That is economics and it is basically human life. — I like sushi
sure, you can opt out of work but the consequences will eventually be starvation, homelessness, hacking it in the wilderness and dying a slow death, MAYBE free riding (making it other people's problem), or outright suicide. Of course everyone cannot free ride otherwise even more dire consequences for the whole system of (used) workers. — schopenhauer1
Putting someone in this no opt out position is an injustice along with all the harms of life. — schopenhauer1
But we know and have agreed previously that not all no opt out positions are wrong to impose. So how do you tell apart the ones that are ok to impose and the ones that aren't? — khaled
Without ‘work’ we learn nothing and do nothing. So schopenhauer1 I’m just going to say you have a rather strange way of viewing life that I strongly oppose and move on. — I like sushi
As for the man who begs for his bread, is he so despicable? so miserable? Cannot men who possess mansions and yachts afford to give a man who has nothing to eat a loaf of bread? Is this really unfair? Can we really know that a man who would rather beg for his bread than earn it is contemptible?
Maybe he is willing to buck the system and undergo what we consider shameful behavior because he has a more exalted sense of the dignity of life. Is he any more contemptible than a factory worker who earns a decent wage and supports his family and sends his kids to school, but is a sycophant to his boss? brown-noses in order to curry favor? — Leghorn
The problem is of course - I was borne out of my mothers womb into this world having perpetual biological needs that REQUIRE work (on threat of violent death - starvation, thirst, violent by other animals, etc) to maintain. There is no choice. It is, once embodied (or as I think of it - once humanized), we work to address our needs until we die. — Inyenzi
That is to say - no me, no pain and therefore no work to mitigate it. If I were never embodied there is no need to drive trucks to mitigate of unstructured time in the first place. No womb, no father whom ejaculates within, no conception, no child, no seeing the whole embodied striving played out in the next generation, no more work, no more perpetuation of the family, social, or political structure that ones forefathers cared about so much.
No humans - no pain nor suffering. — Inyenzi
Recreation takes work too. ALL activity is 'work'. — I like sushi
Like the OP. If you parse 'economics' alongside 'work' the meaning is exactly how I framed it. — I like sushi
ALL activity is 'work — I like sushi
The cost of 'enjoying yourself' exists and it isn't in a matter of monetary value. — I like sushi
These are the basic building blocks of what economics is about. I'm not making it up. A look at any basic introduction to economics and what economics covers will reveal this. — I like sushi
The OP is about EMPLOYMENT/JOBS. You don't have to get a job but you'll have to work no matter what if you wish to keep breathing. The person posting this has made clear elsewhere they don't much care for breathing in the first place and that on balanced life=suffering and that that is 'bad'/'wrong'. — I like sushi
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