If 'natural' is taken to be synonymous with empirical. But there's always the question of what gives rise to the empirical. What is the nature of existence? — Marchesk
. There is no hard problem of consciousness. — TheMadFool
That's what they say. But it's swapped with the hard problem of idealism... — Tom Storm
Whaddaya mean? — TheMadFool
Well, you need to be able to accept idealism is true, which comes with it's own problems. — Tom Storm
The terms 'metaphysical' and 'supernatural' cannot be synonymous, since there is a metaphysical position termed metaphysical naturalism, and it seems ridiculous to refer that position as supernatural naturalism. — Janus
n a sense then, as Stephen Hawking once said, we're reading "God's mind." — TheMadFool
Mind you this all begs the question of what the scope of the term 'natural' implies. — Wayfarer
But in practice, 'naturalism' is the hard-nosed attitude that science is the only reliable arbiter of what is real, and that anything outside that is 'woo-woo' (sometimes with the concession that religious ideas might be ennobling or edifying.) — Wayfarer
Bearing in mind that Hawking was a life-long and extremely vocal atheist. — Wayfarer
Nevertheless, idealism, if true, seems to make the hard problem of consciousness a cinch to solve - the world out there (objective) is simply the world in here (subjective — TheMadFool
Bearing in mind that Hawking was a life-long and extremely vocal atheist. — Wayfarer
Yeah, Hawking's comment is like how atheists (still) use "OMG!" as an expression of surprise/shock. — TheMadFool
Maybe I need to move on and go back to reading English literature. — Tom Storm
Hate to dissappoint you, but no — Wayfarer
all other things being equal, we have no more warrant to suppose that they don't operate the same way than that they do. — Janus
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