I just choose not to suppport the party that staves off all efforts to stop this from happening. — StreetlightX
Same same. I just choose not to suppport the party that staves off all efforts to stop this from happening. — StreetlightX
Seems like none of you guys really like each other much, so I don't want to get in the middle. — John McMannis
Right, so, working against the democratic party. Got it. — StreetlightX
Ensure the worst happens
— Xtrix
Nah, I would rather not support the democratic party. — StreetlightX
guess that'll change the two-party system! — Xtrix
As distinct from literally supporting the two-party system. — StreetlightX
As distinct from literally supporting the two-party system. — StreetlightX
If we're too ignorant to understand which party is a greater impediment to the values we claim to hold — Xtrix
It seems to me that the real difference is just whether we should vote at all, right? — John McMannis
If we're too ignorant to understand which party is a greater impediment to the values we claim to hold
— Xtrix
Both parties, in cahoots with one another. — StreetlightX
So now it's back to both parties being an equal impediment. — Xtrix
The democratic party functions as one-half of a two-part cycle whose overall effect is to ruin lives for everyone. — StreetlightX
I think both parties ought to be actively opposed and called out at every point. — StreetlightX
I'm about dispelling illusions that people like to tell themselves. — StreetlightX
So now it's back to both parties being an equal impediment.
— Xtrix
The democratic party functions as one-half of a two-part cycle whose overall effect is to ruin lives for everyone.
— StreetlightX
I'll keep quoting this so long as you need dude. — StreetlightX
There is no better or worse in this case — Xtrix
Street says no because both parties are corrupt and that is supporting the system, — John McMannis
It seems to me that the real difference is just whether we should vote at all, right? Street says no because both parties are corrupt and that is supporting the system, and Xrix says we should vote for the party that will be less in the way of our goals. Am I right about this or way off? — John McMannis
There is definitely worse - which is perpetuating a by-now 60 or so year cycle. — StreetlightX
You're against the two-party system — Xtrix
Not just voting. I think both parties ought to be actively opposed and called out at every point. I'm not against voting. Vote how you like. But be aware of what it is you're voting for, and the effects it will have. I'm about dispelling illusions that people like to tell themselves. — StreetlightX
I guess those who hold jobs support capitalism, as well. — Xtrix
I can't get him to say anything bad about the Trump (used to be Republican) Party. So far it's been all "Democrats bad. Democrats help Republicans." — James Riley
The different being that he feels both parties are two sides of the same coin, and I think that's silly and based on a very, very shallow understanding of reality -- which is why I mentioned courts, which is one significant example of how one party's rise to power has very damaging effects to progress indeed -- for decades. — Xtrix
You're against the two-party system
— Xtrix
Nope. I'm against supporting people who ruin lives, and more than that, ensuring they get to do so. — StreetlightX
Seems like it's a crappy position to be in either way. — John McMannis
Your point here is that voting does not necessarily mean you support the two party political system in the US, right? I think this is a good point and that maybe Street agrees in some way? — John McMannis
Me too, which is why I voted against Trump. — Xtrix
I'm not offering easy solutions. But I do think that what needs to not be done is to continue letting these parties put people in crappy positions. — StreetlightX
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