Eh?It was good to hear the verdict because the American justice system is usually a woke joke. — NOS4A2
Double eh?It’s not surprising that state’s case resembled the media’s narrative, which was so obviously threadbare and unhinged from the start. — NOS4A2
Indeed, when they do, if ever they do. But Kyle R. was not ever in that position, except in his own fantasies.When 17-year-old kids have to stand up to defend the community — NOS4A2
In this you are mistaken - plain wrong. For example, you rob a store with a gun, and the clerk, armed, shoots at you. You shoot at him, killing him. You do not get the benefit of a claim of self-defense in that case.Rittenhouse was clearly responsible for defending himself against violent attack, exercising his most basic rights. — NOS4A2
That Rittenhouse got off scotch free is bullshit, underage possession of a firearm + reckless endangerment should have been maintained — _db
He arguably could have been and perhaps should have been shot down by police. — tim wood
The first shot fired was by a pursuer and Rittenhouse shot back 2.5 seconds later. It was entirely self defense. — Hanover
I guess the ethic is: as long as somebody is shooting somebody. — Kenosha Kid
This is all part of the bigger picture of mob rioting, looting, and smash and grab incidents and the failure of law enforcement to control. Should a responsible citizen simply stand by and observe their car being torched or their store being decimated? Is there any justification of vigilantism? Is there justification of smash and grab? Should one stand by and applaud? Or hide in the basement until all is done?
There are no easy answers. — jgill
I have mixed feelings about this point. R shouldn't have involved himself in this situation, as it was not in his own community, but rather in a foreign city, and involved no property of his own family. If the circumstances were such, however... (?) I am not of the mind that we should be utterly dependent upon the police for our safety and security, as it involves a transfer of too much personal authority to the state. Each individual is primarily responsible for his own safety and the protection of his property. Let me ask this: if it was the owners of the various buildings being damaged who had stood on the roof of their buildings and treated the mob as the ducks in a shooting gallery when their building was attacked, would you feel differently?Kyle R. was not ever in that position, except in his own fantasies.
Alternatively, fire all the police - all the professionals - and let the psychologically halt, lame, and incompetent guard our lives with guns they barely understand. — tim wood
Well said.The key item at hand was which (if any) discharging of a firearm by a citizen towards another citizen with intent were justified at the time of discharge. — Outlander
And again, you succinctly state the two issues of malfeasance in this case. The goddamned kid should have been at home attending to the business of his own life, which at age 17 should be trying to gain acceptance to the highest tier college that you can, given your HS record. In like manner, the goddamned demonstrators should have been at home attending to the important business of their own lives, instead of being out in the streets of a city not their own, stirring up trouble. From my perspective, I wonder what the hell is wrong with my culture, within which the need for confrontation takes such precedence over what should be personally important. Why can we not be more sensible in this country, more like....well, more like the Swiss, who know well enough to avoid conflict and to focus on their own prosperity? I think the answer has to do with the mass glorification of archetypes, particularly of "culture warrior" archetypes, within American culture, which appears as a theme. Not a theme worth getting killed for, was it?You got a young kid openly carrying an assault weapon, barely legally, at an American demonstration. — Outlander
Why can we not be more sensible in this country, more like....well, more like the Swiss, who know well enough to avoid conflict and to focus on their own prosperity? — Michael Zwingli
How can a mixture of Germans, Frenchmen, Italians and Romansch be considered homogeneous? These cultures are like potatoes, croissants, cannolis and Red's super hot sauce...not very congenial ingredients for one's casserole....my impression has been that the Swiss have or had a very homogeneous population. — jgill
How can a mixture of Germans, Frenchmen, Italians and Romansch be considered homogeneous? — Michael Zwingli
Rittenhouse was 17, lived in another state, and came to Kenosha with a gun knowing that things were gonna get ugly. — Mr Bee
I have mixed feelings about this point. R shouldn't have involved himself in this situation, as it was not in his own community. If it was, however... (?) — Michael Zwingli
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