People are actually voting that an infinite past is more "far-fetched" than something coming from nothing?
Jesus... — Xtrix
The thing(s) making up the infinite past would have no reason or explanation for their existence (2) An infinite past is paradoxical. E.g. Planets that orbit the sun at different speeds would at every moment have made the same amount of orbits. Despite us actually observing the faster one adding more orbits than the other. (Same principle for whatever came before the sun and planets). — Down The Rabbit Hole
(1) The thing(s) making up the infinite past would have no reason or explanation for their existence (2) An infinite past is paradoxical. — Down The Rabbit Hole
What if infinity in time is built up from infinite ùniverses following up each other in series, each with a beginning of time? — Raymond
It would need to show some time, undoubtedly. But how do we know how it was set, if it was never set? Remember, it had no beginning, no manufacturing date. It has existed for ever. It shows some time, as it is a regular clock. What is the time it shows? — god must be atheist
This infinite series of universes would still have no reason or explanation for its existence. — Down The Rabbit Hole
Maybe I should have spelled out that it's a clock with a regular clock-face, that is, twelve hours, no more, no less. It has an hour, a minute and possibly a second hand. And it has existed forever — god must be atheist
Concerning just the foundation of being I agree with Oppy that God isn’t any more illuminating as an explanation than asserting that there’s some necessary aspect of the universe — AJJ
What seems more far-fetched (1) something from literally nothing (2) an infinite past? — Down The Rabbit Hole
1) You are assuming that some thing(s) "made up the past", an assumption which a) I don't understand as phrased -- what do you mean? -- and b) that may be unwarranted.
2) An infinite past is not anymore paradoxical than an infinite anything (space, set, whatever). Think of it mathematically. What is most paradoxical: a never-ending series of natural numbers from zero to, well, infinity, or a finite series of natural numbers stopping at some maximum value or another?
WTF happens if you take that maximum and add 1 to it?
Similarly, what happens one second after the end of time?
The human mind is not so much seeking the infinite as dreading it, I think. There is a vertigo of the infinite in us. But on the other hand, our mind -- mine in any case -- can not possibly square with the idea of a hard end to time and space. Our natural sense of time and space is open-ended. — Olivier5
They might not seem like satisfying explanations, but in neither case is there a gap. — AJJ
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