this particular problem has been done and dusted for some time, in accordance with the fact that all geometry is indeed analytical. — Garrett Travers
Of course. The exploitation of labor. Exorbitant profits and starvation wages. The usual. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Proper steelmanning, and even Socratic dialectics, needs to show how geometry/mathematics in Kant was not proof of the possibility of synthetic a priori judgements. That all geometry is analytical is beside the point, insofar as not all synthetic a priori cognitions are mathematical. — Mww
Wages aren't exploitation if labor is voluntary. — Garrett Travers
Is labor voluntary when the laborer has to choose between starvation and working for starvation wages? — ZzzoneiroCosm
From the perspective of the person offering labor through job creation? 100%. — Garrett Travers
Thanks for the fair point, but nevertheless, synthetic a priori judgements are the very ground of transcendental philosophy. They are the prime refutation of Hume-ian empiricism.....that which should NOT be committed to the flames for its abstract reasoning.....and tacit support for Descartes’ rational, albeit problematic, subject/object duality.
For whatever that’s worth...... — Mww
That's where we disagree. I would call it compulsory labor. Work or die. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Your view - and perhaps Rand's view as well - eschews compassion for the billions of unskilled laborers at the heart of all wealth-creation and - accumulation. — ZzzoneiroCosm
I have no compassion for unskilled laborers who are satisfied with remaining that way. It's really more like selective compassion, than anything else. — Garrett Travers
That is correct. — Garrett Travers
Would you say Rand shares this view? Interested in a direct quote from Rand. — ZzzoneiroCosm
I believe Rand agrees with exactly my assessment, or did. — Garrett Travers
Thanks.
If you bump into a more corroborative Rand reference in the future, feel free to send it along. — ZzzoneiroCosm
innocent victims, but not toward those who are morally guilty. — Garrett Travers
I wonder if unskilled laborers would be considered innocent victims or morally guilty. — ZzzoneiroCosm
My in-law and my cousin? — Garrett Travers
I don't see a reason to link their immoral behavior to their status as unskilled laborer. Those are separate things.
As a social worker and psychotherapist in training, yes, I feel compassion for all kinds of suffering, even suffering infused with immorality. Suffering is suffering. — ZzzoneiroCosm
You wouldn't regard Hitler as subject for compassion, — Garrett Travers
Absolutely, I would. His was a life of intense suffering. Poor tyrant.
Obviously his deeds and ideology are the acme of immorality and ought to be denounced in the strongest terms.
But the suffering of the lost, deranged, delusional, inferior-feeling, man, Adolph - I feel a lot of compassion for the suffering individual I meet when I pick up Mein Kampf. — ZzzoneiroCosm
So no compassion for unskilled laborers because just because Hitler was an unskilled laborer doesn't mean he deserves compassion. OK got it. — theRiddler
Compassion is a duty. — Garrett Travers
Not a duty. Feelings of universal compassion are a reflection of a more studied or nuanced understanding of neurosis and psychosis — ZzzoneiroCosm
Compulsory labor requires that others force you to work. — Garrett Travers
Does this include mind control? — Average
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