But one should not forget that Russia has this phenomenon too. Just my point. — ssu
Well, that's what I tried to say.No, you made a comparison and then gave weighting to that comparison. — StreetlightX
I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity. — Dwight D. Eisenhower
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. — Dwight D. Eisenhower
Yes, they do propaganda and we do propaganda too. — Baden
start babbling about any other bad thing — Baden
So in what way is Western propaganda similar to Russian propaganda? What would you even qualify as propaganda?
I personally fear that the war will just continue for far longer even if a conclusion could be made earlier.
— ssu
I'm on board with this. There is a solution there imo, i.e. acquiesce to basic Russian demands with maybe a bit of face-saving negotiation around them. — Baden
The biggest danger though is that Zelensky hopes that the longer he draws out the war, the more there is a chance of some kind of accident or spark that gets NATO involved on his side.
To put the fire out. Do you really think there was some kind of moral equivalence between Nazi's using violence to round up and kill Jews and Americans using violence to stop the Nazi's? — RogueAI
Any view that could be construed as Russian or anti-Ukraine is met with censorship of the highest order. — NOS4A2
but for now I need to go do a little partying; forget about people actively trying to bring about World War III, if only a little while. — boethius
It's as if their intention is to draw the fire to themselves, and then Nato will go to Russia. — baker
Not only that, but Western dependence on the media’s mass-produced fake news has reached the point where people believe that facts don’t matter. — Apollodorus
Without getting into details, the most important thing about Russian propaganda is that it dominates public discourse inside the country (and is surprisingly influential outside, but let's put that to the side). It is univocal, institutionalized and pervasive. There is no public accountability for truth. Dissenting voices are suppressed. — SophistiCat
do you see something similar in the West? — SophistiCat
facts don’t matter — Apollodorus
Imagine the international outcry if Putin had called for Biden to be toppled or killed .... — Apollodorus
And Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) said that Putin should be assassinated:
Lindsey Graham calls for Putin to be assassinated by someone close to him: ‘Is there a Brutus in Russia?’ - Independent — Apollodorus
Does it 'dominate'? What would be a measure of that, and how would you carry out such a measurement? — Isaac
Is it 'pervasive'? Again what would be a measure of that, and how would you carry out such a measurement? — Isaac
Despite that, the shunning of Russia may be the only weapon to actually bite home. — Banno
Is it possible that Russian involvement in global economic activities had become so vital that Russians find it impossible to get by without it
Might this century be the one in which the growth of global economic interdependence brings about a world in which the fear of being shunned means that nation states finally renounce their anacronistic boarder disputes?
So in what way is Western propaganda similar to Russian propaganda? What would you even qualify as propaganda? — SophistiCat
We're not made for this, and I mean that in a very real biological and mental sense, to serve large abstracted entities called states with weapons that can flatten cities. We're supposed to throw a stone or two and maybe accidentally kill someone with a an unlucky strike. Everything more than that is just the horror of civilisation combined the failure of imagination to feel empathy for nations and its people because it's too far removed from ourselves and a system that enables sociopaths to rise to the top. — Benkei
So in what way is Western propaganda similar to Russian propaganda? — SophistiCat
Number of journalists in jail, assassinated, beaten up, could be a good indicator. More generally, indicators of state violence against the independent press such as the one developed by Reporters Without Borders. — Olivier5
Number of positive media pieces and public posters devoted to the Big Boss? — Olivier5
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