My hunch is there is no solid reason for the panpsychism hypothesis. — Agent Smith
As I mentioned, nature has had billions of years on billions of stars to hit on something like that. It happens by chance. Because it can. There isn't a "why". I mean, you're asking "why is there life?". — Daemon
I'm sincerely struggling to interpret your last post in a rational way, or to find any argument for the existence of mind in molecules. — Daemon
But when we see them trip over the paving stone, we don't say "it was because the centre of gravity was too far forward, but there must also be a psychological explanation". — Daemon
wonder, do you put your ideas into practice in real life? Do you attempt to explain the behaviour of inanimate objects in psychological terms? "Why is that stone rolling down the hill?" "Because it wants to". — Daemon
For me, this is by process of elimination - it's the only theory of consciousness that doesn't have fatal objections. — bert1
I can offer you an argument more explicitly than I have done so far.
Consciousness does not admit of degree
All process or functions admit of degree
Therefore consciousness cannot be a process or function.
Every emergentist theory of consciousness I have come across associates consciousness with some kind of gradually emergent process or function. I can't improve on that, I can't think of a plausible emergentist theory that finds some binary event in nature and says 'That's where consciousness emerges'. Even if it did, there would still be the question "OK, but why can't that happen without consciousness? What is it about that that necessitates an experience?" — bert1
I can offer you an argument more explicitly than I have done so far.
Consciousness does not admit of degree
All process or functions admit of degree
Therefore consciousness cannot be a process or function.
Every emergentist theory of consciousness I have come across associates consciousness with some kind of gradually emergent process or function. I can't improve on that, I can't think of a plausible emergentist theory that finds some binary event in nature and says 'That's where consciousness emerges'. — bert1
However, essential questions are not answered. What does panpsychism say about the consciousness of plants? What about subsets of consciousness, e.g. do the two hemispheres of the brain each have their own consciousness? Then there would already be three of me, my two brain hemispheres and both together. — SolarWind
So the answer is quite simple. What motivates panpsychism is a heuristic called Superstition — Nickolasgaspar
An objective verification of mind properties existing independent of biological brains — Nickolasgaspar
Like any other claim or worldview, panpsychism has a burden of proof. Its burden is quite high since it is in direct conflict with the current establish paradigm of Science! — Nickolasgaspar
First of all can you pls explain to me what do you mean by the phrase "Consciousness doesn't admit of degree"? — Nickolasgaspar
-Educations plays no role in superstitious beliefs. We know from neuroscience that decision in our brain are taken and they we reason them to our selves.That's not true of modern educated panpsychist philosophers, physicists and neuroscientists. — bert1
Educations plays no role in superstitious beliefs. We know from neuroscience that decision in our brain are taken and they we reason them to our selves. — Nickolasgaspar
We can make a patients hand to jerk by using electrodes in his brain and he will provide a reason why "He did" what he did. — Nickolasgaspar
Asking for objective verification of subjectivity may be asking for a square circle, an ore of nonexistium, a bucket of pure being. — bert1
No no no.....I didn't ask anything about that abstract concept/ quality of subjectivity . I was clear. The claim is that mental properties can emerge non contingent to a biological brain. I didn't demand to demonstrate the subjective content of them. I only want you to point to a phenomenon where Reasoning, Intention,purpose, conscious realization, symbolic thinking, intelligence, pattern recognition, problem solving etc are properties that can be displayed by a brainless agent.
Can you point to a headless organism that can practice the above mental qualities? — Nickolasgaspar
We can see that the process of development of the mechanisms is gradual, but it's in the nature of consciousness that to the user it can only appear to be instantaneous. — Daemon
-wait......is this a serious argument? like there isn't an intermediate state being dead and not dead?being eating and not eating. Those are true dichotomies sir!!! What would an intermeditate state would be like for you? Conscious, semiconscious, non conscious?I'll try. I mean there are no intermediate states between x not being conscious at all, and x being conscious. — bert1
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