I hope the next time you hurt yourself you get cured through prayer and you don't get all 'hypocritical' and visit a doctor! — universeness
That's the whole point of the closure. Eternal intelligence need not be created. Only the non-intelligent stuff of the universe. — Haglund
If it’s possible for something to always exist, like eternal intelligence, then it’s possible that the universe itself has always existed. No beginning and no ending, just a constant changing of forms. — Present awareness
Prayers won't help. And neither does the doctor — Haglund
How can something non-intelligent exist without being cretated? — Haglund
The same way that something intelligent can exist without being created. — Present awareness
But something intelligent existing eternally has creation power. It can create the universe out of nothing. Stupid dead matter can't create itself, even if eternal. It's too stupid for that so it had to be brought into existence an infinite time ago. Or maybe a few big bangs in the past. — Haglund
Of course they are bound. To copy heaven and life in it, they had to come up with and create particles and space in such a way that if the were let free all god creatures in heaven showed up in the universe. — Haglund
Is this your honest argument? The first cause is a copy of that which already existed? You are surely smart enough to see how that makes no sense and fails to end the infinite regress?
If you can’t make a serious case, don’t expect to be taken seriously. — apokrisis
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