Except he is imputing reality or existence to such things by suggesting them to be a useful fiction, your interpretation doesn't follow from his words. — Darkneos
Yes. We are all in this story together. — T Clark
Yes. We are all in this story together. — T Clark
If "it's all simulation and therefore nothing is real", then the simulation is also not real. :smirk: — 180 Proof
A simulation isn't reality so if everything is a simulation then it therefor would not be real and by extension not matter. — Darkneos
The suggestion that we live in a simulation is surely facile...? — Banno
To which we might add Davidson's point that if we never leave the representation — Banno
...in our perceptual lives... — Janus
...as if this were a distinction that could be made firm. You yourself point out that it "only finds its relevance within that context".
Don't both you and Darkneos start at individual phenomena, and so never escape solipsism? It's not a representation that is collective, but the world; Perhaps there is no "inner" life, any more than there is an "uninterpreted" reality.
But at last now the tread has moved from physics to metaphysics. — Banno
I don't start at solipsism — Darkneos
It's a distinction which is self-evident. — Janus
Why you apparently would want to deny or eliminate the inner lives of individuals or deny their significance is beyond my understanding. — Janus
So i'm suggesting that a reliance on phenomenology leads to solipsism. — Banno
It's a distinction which is self-evident. — Janus
Never a good place to start. — Banno
I'm not. I'm asking why the posited inner life could not be as much a social construction as the self. — Banno
When you take first-person phenomena - observation - as your starting point, including others becomes problematic, as it seems you have found.
But instead, if one starts with the world as a collaborative construction from its contents, that there are other folk is not problematic.
So i'm suggesting that a reliance on phenomenology leads to solipsism. — Banno
Nothing exists.
Even if something exists, nothing can be known about it.
Even if something can be known about it, it cannot be communicated.
Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood. — Gorgias
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5lUZvNljHU8Living is easy with eyes closed
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You're making it more complex than it needs to be. To refer to something as fiction is by definition to say it's not real. So when he's saying that the notion of other people is a useful fiction is implying that they aren't real. Read what he said. — Darkneos
By no definition of the word fiction is your interpretation supported. It's tacking on too many things that aren't supported by it. — Darkneos
To be serious, I consider all approaches to be semiotic — Janus
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