You mean the war in which; — Isaac
Oh, and do you even reslise how absurd it is to include Chechnya in your list of evidences of imperialist expansion? — Isaac
And joining Putin's Russia has come up as well. :D (They're in the process of being joined.)Ukraine would be subject to transparency and standards to join the EU, for example
Oh, and do you even reslise how absurd it is to include Chechnya in your list of evidences of imperialist expansion? — Isaac
Various folks. — Olivier5
arguably a case also for "Russian imperialism" since the Chechen war was a war for independence against "Russian imperialism" — neomac
It would be more accurate to call it a case of imperial retention — Paine
So, anyway, what avenues remain possible? — jorndoe
Why 'imperial' retention. Are the UK 'imperialistically' retaining Northern Ireland?
Are Spain 'imperialistically' retaining Catalonia? — Isaac
After the collapse of Soviet Union one could question that Chechnya was within Russian borders.Russia was 'imperialistically' retaining territory already within its borders. — Isaac
It would not be a redefinition of language to note an important difference between your examples and a "retention" involving the Massacre of Civilians in order to preserve this "entitlement." — Paine
Should the Ukrainians be consulted over whether Russia is entitled to their lands? — Paine
After the collapse of Soviet Union one could question that Chechnya was within Russian borders. — neomac
Is Russia entitled to any land at all? Or are we just going to say anything more than a shed outside Moscow is just rampant empire building? — Isaac
One could question that Crimea was in Ukrainian borders. — Isaac
Are we really going to rehash the whole 19th jingoism? I suppose that would go well with our rush to world war three, rampant nationalism did a good job of warmongering back then, its got a good track record.
Using what exactly would one go about 'questioning' the properness of a border?
Ought we test the genetic stock of the population either side? — Isaac
If the Ukrainians don't exist, you need to get out there and tell them. — Paine
They are loudly telling themselves. — Paine
So why would you need any more specific an answer in the case of Poland, the Baltic states, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, the Czech republic? Might the answer not likewise be "various folks"? — Isaac
That's the language of both attacker and defender though, and most others. — jorndoe
I use "they" in the hope they are reporting what they think in polls such as these.
I imagine you will dismiss it as fake news. But it is by means of gathering reports in some way that we will learn the answer. — Paine
There's no such entity as 'the Ukrainians' to even ask. — Isaac
I didn't bring up the poll to argue for a proper resolution of the conflict but to point out that there are enough self-identified Ukrainians around to undermine your claim:
There's no such entity as 'the Ukrainians' to even ask. — Paine
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The head of state stating any attempt at NATO expansion to Russian borders is seen as a direct threat is crystal clear language. You asked for evidence for Russia's perception of NATO as a threat, and I've provided it. — Tzeentch
Turkey has tried with little success, though they seem in a fair position to do so; maybe they could do another round, inviting China to apply pressure against the destruction. :up:
Say, it could be the end of any of these, at least in any way that matters: Russia (country, nation); Russians (people); Russian (identity, culture, language); Russians doing Russian in Russia. Something along those lines. — jorndoe
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