Can't a guy just be frustrated at being alone? — fdrake
Yet usually we try to answer the questions in the OP, right?The OP need not comprehensively describe or define incels. — Jamal
Just like if someone uses the term eco-terrorist, the terrorism doesn't actually have anything to do with ecology or environtalism. The real issue is the "activism" that accepts and uses violence to further it's cause and gain media attention. What the cause is doesn't so make a difference. The violence part is similar and if the cause would be, let's say anti-abortion activists burning down an abortion clinic, it doesn't change things.It doesn’t follow from the fact that “incel” is a word formed from “involuntary celibate” that when we use “incel” we are merely referring to people who are involuntarily celibate tout court. — Jamal
Similarly, if someone is a misogynist and uses violence, it isn't important what the reasons are. It is the action, using violence etc, which is the main issue and ought to be condemned. — ssu
EDIT: I just realized that quoting you out of context like that makes it look a bit like you’re defending incels. Sorry about that :grin: — Jamal
What disturbed me were the intrusive alien thoughts that I disagreed with, the misogyny in embryo. — Jamal
Maybe you’re saying that that’s just how male frustration manifests itself (in this society etc.), and that this in itself is not indicative of incel tendencies, though it’s probably a necessary condition. — Jamal
Well, why not then start with the obvious: the internet. The ability there to find your own echo chamber. How public discourse has change because of social media where there is no moderation.It is important what the reasons are — Jamal
Well, why not then start with the obvious: the internet. The ability there to find your own echo chamber. How public discourse has change because of social media.
One should look first at the general reasons and look what is similar to other hate groups which don't have anything to do with sexuality. — ssu
Maybe such thoughts turn to misogyny when the intrusive thoughts become egosyntonic. When anger becomes justice. — fdrake
The OP need not comprehensively describe or define incels, since it’s a pretty well-known subculture notorious for its abusive and sometimes violent misogyny. It’s probably wise to look into it rather than throwing around accusations of wokeness. Even just a quick look at Wikipedia would work: — Jamal
So I wonder how much crossover there is between incels and the sexually successful misogynist “pick-up artists”. Maybe you can graduate from the former to the latter. — Jamal
And as victimhood and being different is so fashionable today, the idea of being an incel isn't so bad, at least in the horrible self-help groups of internet echo chambers. — ssu
They are not morally superior to any other hate group and the most charitable thing I can say about anyone who doesn't realise that is that they're misguided and/or ignorant. — Baden
Wasn't aimed at you anyhow bruv. Skimmed through the thread and saw some odd comments that seemed to underplay what's going on so I thought I'd stick my oar in. — Baden
Not an expert, but I think the pick up artist people sprouted off into the incels. An incel being a pick up artist failure who can't even manipulate women to get laid. — fdrake
Is it another example of what Adorno referred to as pseudo-activism, where what matters is the badges you wear, the signals you transmit, and the minimal action you take—no matter how useless—according to templates that define your political fashion? — Jamal
guess there's something latent there. Like you and others, I've been through periods without sex and had the common sense to blame myself for it. — Baden
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