Did they ever "consent" in the first place? AFAIK, no one "consents" to be born; one can only "consent" to destroy (or mutilate / modify) oneself.How about a man/boy who no longer consents to be a man/boy?
And of course a woman/girl who no longer consents to being one? — universeness
It is not a choice. — Andrew4Handel
I am not an antinatalist and for what it's worth, if I could have been asked for consent to be born into this world I would have said yes.I am an antinatalist and one of the reasons is because life is imposed on us without consent. — Andrew4Handel
We have already exchanged our opinions on that issue.But I believe that once we come to exist people should be protected and valued and encouraging delusions and compromising women's rights by allowing men to identify as them is pure dysfunction and reality denial. — Andrew4Handel
Gender ideology is a perversion of the truth.
Creating a world based on fictions could be described as escapism. — Andrew4Handel
Might work for AGI machines (like Asimov's "Law of Robotics") but we're primates, first and foremost, driven by territorial, hierarchical, reproductive & tribal instincts amplified by a sliver of forebrain grey matter into (mal/adaptive) cognitive biases which reinforce in each one of us "I am special" (i.e. "more special than you"). Eusocially constrained self-serving organisms – delusional and struggling. To wit: if we "treat" everyone "as if we are special", Andrew, then no one will be "special". Human facticity – problems for us endure, or strive against, not for us to solve. — 180 Proof
People who believe peoples gender identity claims should also believe peoples religious claims. — Andrew4Handel
I accept the gender and sex you tell me you are.
The rest is a matter of a case by case basis imo.
Who can go to which area and compete in which sport etc, is simply 'issues' yet to be fully ironed out.
In my youth and probably up to around my mid 30's, I was very 'anti,' towards all non-heterosexual people. — universeness
What harm is there in allowing people to be who they need to be? — Tom Storm
But nobody can change sex or live as the opposite sex. A defleshed inverted penis is literally not a vagina and it is a misogynistic insult to call it so. Women's biology is how we all entered the world. — Andrew4Handel
. I heard all the same shit about homosexuality back a few decades back and even now in some communities. — Tom Storm
What sex or gender a person chooses to be, worries me a lot less, (in fact it pales into insignificance in comparison) compared to a person who chooses to be a trump supporter, a religious zealot, a capitalist, a billionaire, a plutocrat, a celebrity cult, a personality cult, a narcissist, an autocrat, an aristocrat, etc. — universeness
Geez I bet that first dude has a great time at airport security. — Wayfarer
The gay rights movement eventually improved the lives of folks like Andrew4Handel significantly, in many countries of the world. An openly gay person can now become a political leader.
It's a pity he can't find it in himself to help achieve for another minority group what has been achieved for him, after what seems to me to have been a very very hard fought fight. — universeness
What sex or gender a person chooses to be, worries me a lot less, (in fact it pales into insignificance in comparison) — universeness
My firm conviction is that h.sapiens transcends biology, and is able to realise horizons of being that are, as far as we know, unique to us. — Wayfarer
This is ridiculous. It indicates you have barely read any of my posts on this topic. — Andrew4Handel
I have no interest in invoking sympathy for any minority group. I support ensuring that any minority group has their basic human rights fully respected.Calling a group a minority does not make them credible or sympathetic. Terrorists, Paedophiles and murderers are minorities. — Andrew4Handel
NoWhat sex or gender a person chooses to be, worries me a lot less, (in fact it pales into insignificance in comparison)
— universeness
Is that because you are not a women in sheltered accommodation? — Andrew4Handel
NoIs that because your penis or vagina is still intact and you are not poisoning yourself with wrong sex hormones? — Andrew4Handel
NoIs that because you are not an a elite female sports woman having to share a changing room with a penis that then goes onto to beat you at your sport because he has gone through a male puberty and has bigger stronger bone structure and larger lungs and is over 6ft. — Andrew4Handel
NoIs that because you don't have MS, early on set dementia or cardiac arrest due to poisoning yourself with cross sex hormones that your body does not want or need. — Andrew4Handel
NoOr is it because you are not a gender non conforming gay child who is being told he must be born in the wrong body? — Andrew4Handel
NoOr maybe it is because you are not a member of the gay community whose reputation is being trashed? — Andrew4Handel
Exactly. Humans can work the through issues. Gender is complex and if someone needs to be male or female on non-binary where the fuck is the problem? People think it's against god or against nature. They think it's a war on truth. I heard all the same shit about homosexuality back a few decades back and even now in some communities. — Tom Storm
Not this one, no. OTOH, somehow all the people looking for how people are unique neglect to mention the unique human ability to fuck in numerous, varied and spectacular ways. — Vera Mont
Not this one, no. OTOH, somehow all the people looking for how people are unique neglect to mention the unique human ability to fuck in numerous, varied and spectacular ways. — Vera Mont
My pet theory is that gender stereotypes have become more extreme due to tik-tokkable and instagrammable views of extreme feminity and masculinity, leading to increased rejection of people who do not fit the norm (such rejection can be real or perceived). In other words, societies have become less liberal and accepting of variation in gender expression with an increased risk of gender dysphoria as a result. — Benkei
I think we can address them without condemning transsexuals or transgenders. — Benkei
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