the I guess radical conclusion for me is that phenomenal properties cannot be illusory — goremand
So the I guess radical conclusion for me is that phenomenal properties cannot be illusory — goremand
While it may be that it's not human nature to perceive without also interpreting, I think the two are distinct. I would say a camera is an example of perception without interpretation in the sense I mean. — goremand
Transcendental Idealism generally, particularly, with respect to the OP, the first Book in CPR, entitled Transcendental Aesthetic.
Don’t hate the messenger. — Mww
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, an illusion happens at the level of perception, while a misinterpretation happens (obviously) at the level of interpretation — goremand
Many psychologists and philosophers today would argue that perception is interpretation all the way down. — Joshs
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While it may be that it's not human nature to perceive without also interpreting, I think the two are distinct. I would say a camera is an example of perception without interpretation in the sense I mean. — goremand
The camera is recording, not perceiving. When humans perceive something they are not just detecting it with their eyes, there is a whole perceptual apparatus attached to the act of seeing that just isnt present in a camera, yet. — DingoJones
I don't know why you say that there is no such thing as an illusion. I believe that after clearing the term, as I did above, you must give the concept of "illusion" a second chance! :smile:So the I guess radical conclusion for me is that phenomenal properties cannot be illusory because there simply is no such thing as an illusion, — goremand
"1. Something that deceives by producing a false or misleading impression of reality.
2. The state or condition of being deceived; misapprehension."
See the "space" that these definitions open up?
In the second case, although there are different theories of "illusionism" in philosophy, I think that the most common and what I personally came to know about is one that has to do with the nature of consciousness. A view belonging to "eliminative materialism", which considers and describes phenomenal consciousness as an illusion. — Alkis Piskas
Yes, this is the gist of the cogito.Seems to me that even if we are mistaken, viz. interpretation, about what is there, when we are faced with some illusion, we are never mistaken that there is something there. We are only ever mistaken about what it is. — NotAristotle
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