What's disgusting in those writings and what are you referring to?but the more I see how disgusting I find some christian writings(even early writings) I am starting to feel that much of it is based on hatred — Beebert
What teaching is disgusting?But once again, when reading early writings from for example the apostlic fathers who lived in the early 2nd century, I find much of their teaching disgusting. — Beebert
Sure sure, but you have to first figure out what "failing" means, and also what this "eternal torture" refers to.There, one is forgiven at maximum once. If one fails, one goes to be tortured forever. What kind of vision of God is that? — Beebert
What's the justification for this claim?Then, frankly, if christianity was true, life ought not to be. — Beebert
No religion apart from Christianity has the person of Jesus Christ. It is the person of Jesus Christ that is the centre of Christianity.What are your thoughts? — Beebert
You cannot create a valid conditional around a necessarily impossible hypothesis.But I assure you, that IF I had a choice in the matter and a christian came and explained me the conditions, I would scream and say NO I DON'T WANT THIS. — Beebert
A little puny ass human crying about stuff. What did God answer Job? Who do you think you are to question God's decisions? Do you think you have the wisdom required to know whether what God did was good or bad?Where is God justified in he holocaust? If he is behind it, he is evil. Even if he foreknew it he is evil IMO. — Beebert
I'm not sure, only God knows what is in their hearts.Where did the jews who were executed go? Heaven or hell? — Beebert
No, this is just false. I don't know what Christians you met, but most Christians would not affirm this.Hell according to most christians. — Beebert
I will read it in due time, I'm a bit busy at the moment.Now, read the article by Schopenhauer if you want. It is a good one. — Beebert
So is Christian literary writing of the same value as Scripture or Tradition?I refer to writings such as The sheperd of Hermas among others — Beebert
Quite a vindictive one I'd say, but who told you that they are not forgiven? Scripture makes it clear that the only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and that's not because God cannot forgive it, but rather that someone who has committed it doesn't want to be forgiven anymore.They all take the position that if one falls away after becoming a christian, one is damned. One is not even forgiven if one asks for forgiveness. What kind of a revengeful and vindictive diety is that? — Beebert
That's false.Then apparently, God is so angry at him that he will never forgive him according to the early christians. This is repulsive. This young man then has nothing to do but to wait for an eternity in an agonizing fire. I find that unacceptable and evil — Beebert
There is no predestination and election.What is the relation between predestination and election on the one hand, and God's omnipotence and omniscience on the other? — Beebert
God may know, but it's still your choice. Hell will not be forced on you. You will take yourself to hell out of your own will. Perhaps you're already doing it by agonising over this.If God foreknew my fate, then why did he create me if my fate is eternal hell? — Beebert
According to Eastern Orthodox tradition of which I am a member, eternal hell is the same as eternal heaven - being in the presence of God. So if you hate God, you will experience God's Love as a burning fire. If you love God, you'll experience it as bliss.2. What is eternal hell? — Beebert
He did clarify what it is. It is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which essentially means perceiving the Holy Ghost to be Satan. That's what the Pharisees whom He condemned were doing - they attributed the works of Jesus, to Satan. So if when God speaks to you, you perceive Him as Satan, then you can never be saved, since you'll naturally hate God (thinking that he is Satan) and seek to run away from Him. Basically some people become so twisted by their immorality, that they perceive evil to be good - then nothing can be done to save them.3. Why did Christ speak about an eternal and unforgivable sin without really clarifying what it really is? It has brought tremendous suffering to many in the world. — Beebert
I don't know. But if you have faith in God then you can trust that God had good reason to do it.If God foreknew the fall of man, why did he create man? And if he foreknew the damnation of many, why did he create them? — Beebert
God doesn't threaten you, rather you threaten yourself. God is Love - the only question is if you will accept that Love and not run away from it. God won't send you to hell. If you end up there, it will be because you want to be there. For example, if you're in love with immorality, then you won't want to be in Heaven.I wouldn't mind if it were true as long as God doesn't threaten me with eternal torture — Beebert
Which one of these two men do you think brought the best and most honest message? — Beebert
the more I see how disgusting I find some christian writings (even early writings) I am starting to feel that much of it is based on hatred. — Beebert
That is my biggest problem with christianity, because it means "you have no choice in the matter. I create you. Now obey me or be prepared for an eternal fire." — Beebert
Half the people in the world think that the metaphors of their religious traditions...are facts. And the other half contends that they are not facts at all. As a result we have people who consider themselves believers because they accept metaphors as facts, and we have others who classify themselves as atheists because they think religious metaphors are lies. — Joseph Campbell
I know God is just. I just don't understand what is just with creating me sick and demanding me to be healthy under the threats of eternal torture. Not just punishment for a few years. Not even punishment for thousands of years. But forever!! For eternity! That is insane. I just can't wrap my head around how that is just when I had NO saying in all this in the first place. — Beebert
Yes and I have been brainwashed into thinking that metaphors are facts and I can't read the bible in another way. — Beebert
↪Bitter Crank Are you a christian? — Beebert
↪Bitter Crank Yes but take the rest of that passage. — Beebert
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