I think I see what you are saying here, but I might make a small but important distinction between ‘civilization’ and ‘socialization’. — 0 thru 9
That's because of your mind-set, instilled by a culture in which men were alienated from their families, very much to the detriment of men, families and the culture. — Vera Mont
Young women, still eager to socialize, to dance and laugh with their friends, are confined in some dull dwelling-place with one or more needy, pre-verbal creatures, all day, every day, doing drudge-work, with no outlet for creativity or intelligence, no prospects and no status. The man brings a battered ego home every night to a wife who feels trapped and resentful.
Happy nuclear families! — Vera Mont
We need a good book about what Industrialization and war have done to our values and relationships. — Athena
Faludi’s vivid storytelling illuminates the historic and traumatic paradigm shift from a “utilitarian” manliness, grounded in civic and communal service, to an “ornamental” masculinity shaped by entertainment, marketing, and performance values.
There is practical math that is applied to life and math for technology that leaves most mathematically ignorant — Athena
Surely everyone thinks of all these things after watching the comedy videos. — Athena
I can at least dimly imagine a possible Christianity that is not power-mad and judgmental — 0 thru 9
It is unfortunately an old question… how could a religion centered on ‘love’ become the very opposite. — 0 thru 9
Maybe a monotheistic belief system oversimplifies that which is beyond human understanding and control. — 0 thru 9
It’s no wonder that many consider any religious or spiritual expression to be folly, madness, archaic. — 0 thru 9
Yes, that's why it's taught in grades of increasingly specialized complexity and application. But if you start early showing students how to use numbers, measurement, proportions and ratios in their own areas of interest, and they are confident in mastery of the concepts, they (especially the girls) will be less averse to math in higher grades. The scientifically or mathematically gifted will discover their ability early on, while the others come to understand the reliability of exact knowledge, (such as climatologists and epidemiologists demonstrate, rather than the wild 'estimates' politicians throw out at random) If they see the purpose and usefulness of numeracy they'll be far less easily duped by stratagems like $ .99 pricing and government boondoggles. — Vera Mont
Thanks very much! :pray: :smile:
I wonder what would happen if either democracy or Christianity were ever actually and truly manifested?
Democracy’s brand name is wearing thin.
I can at least dimly imagine a possible Christianity that is not power-mad and judgmental and very Old Testament driven, with a tendency towards random Bible verse dogma and hypocrisy. — 0 thru 9
Well for me, they just clearly show how ridiculous and stupid, soooooo much of what we think are essential cultural differences between us, are. Such are really, historically, self-imposed utter nonsense and false moral standards. The most offensive and disappointing for me, is those who I politically care about most, and empathise with most, who will say and think stuff, such as 'I know my place,' 'I am a smelly serf.' I am further annoyed by the audience laughter (piped or live) caused by a comment such as 'I have 8 kids but I'm not married.' — universeness
What is exact knowledge? I believe those who think they can know absolute truth are absolutely dangerous, — Athena
I find such quite accurate parodies, of real human beings, produced via direct societal and cultural experience, foisted upon each of us, based on the lottery of where and to whom you are born, from the day we are born, as disappointing as you do.I loved those stereotypes and I think we have a lot to gain by being aware of them. — Athena
Thank you :cry: I cry because I have such a different understanding of democracy and it seems futile to convey my different way of thinking about it. Can we begin with Socrates and his concern that if we are not mature and self-aware and focused on morality things will not go well? Democracy is rule by reason and if we are not prepared for that, we can not manifest that. — Athena
Do you think our species needs such a foundational model, to be able to obtain a broad global standard of being, for all humans? — universeness
As long as the place does not remind anyone of the Berghof :scream: and I can get there without adding to the problems of climate change :scream:If you want you can join me in a mountain retreat and we can share books and give some thought to your question. — Athena
The internet. :pray:Do you think we humans could create a guidance book that became as popular or more popular than the bible or the quran, ... — universeness
The tech singularity (AGI —> ASI). :point:... but provided well-chosen 'what if,' scenarios and gave sound, robust, advice on what to do next.
Having 3 models for humans or only one just doesn't work for me. It does not go with you can be anything you want to be and right now that includes sexual differences beyond what I thought the choices were. — Athena
The internet. — 180 Proof
... but provided well-chosen 'what if,' scenarios and gave sound, robust, advice on what to do next.
The tech singularity (AGI —> ASI). — 180 Proof
I suspect that 'the internet' (e.g. social media influencers, cyber preachers, etc) is more popular in every way than either the bible or quran (or any other "holy book"). — 180 Proof
menageries — 180 Proof
The question then becomes, which is more pernicious and more of an existential threat to humanity, the bible/quran or any other religious book (I will not dignify such, with the word 'holy'), or the internet? — universeness
It would be an interesting TPF poll question imo, but perhaps most members would just find the question rather too broad, to offer a well-informed answer.The internet, by several leagues. — Vera Mont
I think that has become almost an atheist mantra and one I like for its ironic value. If you want modern people to reject Christianity or Islam, then suggest they read the bible/quran.In fact, it was reading the bible that turned me off Judeo-Christianity. — Vera Mont
Both.Which definition are you going with, in your use of menagerie?
a collection of wild animals kept in captivity for exhibition. (zoo)
or
a strange or diverse collection of people or things. — universeness
Do you think the internet is as responsible for horrors, that are easily as equal at directly causing such as 'holy war,' divinely sanctioned slavery, divinely sanctioned OT atrocities such as ethnic cleansing and genocide, establishing the divine right of kings, the idea of the superiority of believers over everyone else, compared to the ways that the bible and the quran, have been used to cause and maintain such?By far, IMO, 'the internet' – a 24/7/365, billion-fold, vidiot-delusion machine – is worse than merely 'reading' religious books today. — 180 Proof
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