What does “state of affairs” mean to you? — Michael
That one ought not harm another is the state of affairs. — Michael
I'd say that it means the speaker believes it ought to be true, in the case of moral propositions. So "One ought not kick puppies for fun" is true means that I believe one ought not kick puppies for fun. — Moliere
↪Michael ↪Michael The only difference is that some sentences use "is" and some use "ought", and that this verb indicates how we are using the word: the statements which use "is" have a direction of fit from the words to the world. What we say is made true or false because of the states of affairs of the world. It doesn't get much more specific than "states of affairs", I believe, unless we want a metaphysical exposition of facts — Moliere
Well, the claim that London is in England could not be made without a subject to make the claim. Is it subjective, too?It strikes me that the claim could not be made, but for a subject perceiving it's value. — AmadeusD
Yes. Because guts aren't reasonable.Possibly.
Do you claim that it is unreasonable to claim to know that something is false because their “gut feeling” tells them so? — Michael
But it patently is not a state of affairs, and at very, very best, a description of one. What state of affairs outside of the mind indicates that command is universal? As far as i know, realists don't make absolute claims to a state of affairs, by noting a perception. — AmadeusD
It's my gut feeling against theirs. — baker
And they would be wrong in every sense of the word, unless invoking a supernatural source of morality. — AmadeusD
Again, your point, if there is one, is obtuse. — Banno
No. My gut feeling is that there might be a misnaming going on.You have a gut feeling that moral realism is false. — Michael
I'm not sure about this. I revise my earlier statement that it's my gut feeling against theirs. I actually allow for the possibility that they might have a knowledge I don't have.Neither has empirical or self-evident rational justification.
How do you know this?There is an objective, mind-independent, inaccessible fact-of-the-matter.
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