As now the dust has settled, seems that Iran-Israel have played well the de-escalatory responses. Neither lost face in the domestic scene. After the initial Embassy attack and Iran's response to it, the Israel counter was so limited that Iran officially simply denied it to be an Israeli attack, but refer simply to the attackers being "unknown".

Iran has now played this de-escalatory (or measured) response with both the US and with Israel. Hence we can see that there isn't this willingness to widen the war. That may be good, but on the other hand now there is a precedent and hence it's quite possible that the two countries lash directly at each other.

But I'll leave the people to continue with the ad hominems...

Did you guys know Israel used to hire OnlyFans porn stars to make thirst trap propaganda? They did some for Ukraine as well. Pretty funny.

As Turkey Cuts Trade Ties, Israel’s Isolation Grows

]Turkey said it would not resume trade with Israel until a “permanent cease-fire” in Gaza. The move came after a number of countries cut diplomatic ties with Israel.

People don’t like genocide.

Hypocritical coming from a State that mass murdered Armenians and Assyrians.

Not one original thought in your little head huh?

I’d put you on the ignore list, but you’re so utterly idiotic it’s worth the comedic value.

Not one original thought in your little head huh? — Mikie

I thought it was established the tiny one here is you. I heard that if you hang from a bar everyday and drink lots of milk you may grow an inch.

Iran is definitely not looking to escalate.

The West is weakening in the Middle-East, leaving ample room for Iran to expand its influence. They have no reason to want to go to war with Israel or the United States since the status quo favors them.

It's Israel that stands to lose in the long run and has been looking to drag the US into a war with Iran to avoid Iran from becoming a regional hegemon. Given Biden's weak position there is still a fair chance that it might happen in a desperate attempt at salvaging his re-election chances.

I already dealt with this nonsense claim and not going to do it again. Nice to see you consider all Palestinians terrorists which means I have zero reason to talk to you.

Gaza (Intifada) = Warsaw Ghetto (Uprising) ...

"Never Again" unless we do it to the goyim! :shade:

Run along little girl— let the adults talk.

It's Israel that stands to lose in the long run and has been looking to drag the US into a war with Iran to avoid Iran from becoming a regional hegemon. Given Biden's weak position there is still a fair chance that it might happen in a desperate attempt at salvaging his re-election chances. — Tzeentch

Despite the tough rhetoric, actions now show how the US simply doesn't want end up with a quagmire of war with Iran. Because there's obviously the question "then what?" after a strike on Iran. And this has been a reality for decades.

Bibi showing the UN his bombscare's about Iran ...12 years ago:


Yet Iran did see quite well that nobody would come to it's help. And likely France and UK would side with Israel too ...as happened. And somehow the Saudi's remember Iranian attacks on their oil installations still, so no aid from there either.

The US is running itself thin now. The war in Ukraine has helped that— and now in Israel. Billions of dollars spent on weapons, and the population is getting tired of it. On the right and left, there’s growing political opposition. It’s not a good look politically to be fighting two wars, even if boots aren’t on the ground. Then in the background there’s enormous worry about China.

So Iran is just not that important for the US right now. Trump, the idiot that he was, pulled out of the Iran deal, which was a success, and so there’s more tension than there should be — but unless Israel does something even more stupid, we won’t be getting into it with Iran.

Despite the tough rhetoric, actions now show how the US simply doesn't want end up with a quagmire of war with Iran. — ssu

I agree, they would be shooting themselves in the foot internationally.

But domestically it may look different, and when I talk about Biden's re-election chances I am referring to the domestic factors that may lead the US to declare war on Iran.

If Biden refuses to side with Israel, there is a good chance the Israel lobby will favor another candidate. Trump, or even Kennedy.

Or perhaps they will give no one public support, which will likely result in a Biden defeat as well since his chances are simply that poor.


The problem the US is now running into is that, as things stand, there is no option besides Biden that keeps the neocons firmly in power.

Kennedy and Trump may still be forced to do the neocon's bidding, but they will do so reluctantly.

Both Kennedy and Trump are in their own ways calling for reform - reforms which would be a gigantic threat to the US establishment.


So the US will again be between a rock and a hard place, having to choose between domestic stability and their geopolitical position.


Normally I would argue that their geopolitical position goes before domestic politics, but when it comes to the stability of the country and there is so much on the line, domestic stability basically becomes a geopolitical issue in and of itself.

Yet Iran did see quite well that nobody would come to it's help. — ssu

I think China and Russia would heavily back Iran if things were to come to blows.

Iran is instrumental to BRICS long-term economic stability as it occupies the geographical pivot between Asia and the Middle-East.

France and the UK would play no role of significance. Iran is well-prepared for modern war, and France and the UK simply aren't. As things stand, even Israel would not be able to hurt Iran to any great degree.

This is why all eyes are on the US when it comes to war with Iran.

moral cretins — 180 Proof

Always love to hear it from the explicitly irreligious. :heart: — BitconnectCarlos

Hmm? Maybe you have a topic for Ethics, ?

Another interesting video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmCVoGc2IeY

Just an observation, but whenever Israel is referred to you think the state but when Palestine is referred to you think individual Palestinian civilians. :chin:

Also, in case anyone missed it:

Congress threatens ICC over Israeli arrest warrants

In case the US wasn't done making itself into a complete international joke, it is now threatening the ICC to prevent it from serving justice on the matter of Gaza.

One wonders what the US hopes to gain by disposing of what little credibility it had left, playing directly into the hands of the challenging powers.

How can anyone take the US seriously after this?

There's no Palestine. Dumb observation as a result.

And as usual, BC, you don't have a substantial or factual point, only another vapid non sequitur. :roll:

On the contrary, whenever in recent decades "Isreal" is mentioned I think of that (US-backed) war criminal Netanyahu and mentioning "Palestine" I think of the criminally dispossessed masses suffering under Israeli occupation since 1967 (or 1948).

Those Palestinians went house to house to murder their neighbors and burn babies in cribs. That’s not resistance. Just pure wickedness. I reject Warsaw ghetto comparisons as ridiculous. Hamas rules their own.

They would be crying over an inch of Jewish autonomy; there’s your “criminal dispossession.” They want it all and anything less is “occupation.”

I think China and Russia would heavily back Iran if things were to come to blows. — Tzeentch

Just how much they back will be interesting.

Because do note that this isn't an alliance: attack on Iran doesn't trigger anything, as an attack on let's say Italy would.

A lecture on the history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlK2mfYYm4U

Edit: Worth the watch.

Your reply is unhinged as it doesn't relate in any way to what I said.

Palestine is a place, but it is not a state.

the explicitly irreligious — BitconnectCarlos

Yeah, we're the ones who do what's right for exigent reasons to do right for its own sake; we're not craven like most of "the explicitly religious" who superstitiously obey "commandments" for the sake of reward or to avoid punishment in some imaginary "afterlife". After all, it's the unholy "parties of god" on both sides committing atrocities that "explicitly" sabotages any prospective (secular) resolution to Israeli-Palestinian hatreds.

we're not craven like most of "the explicitly religious" who superstitiously obey "commandments" for the sake of reward or to avoid punishment in some imaginary "afterlife". — 180 Proof

I'm sorry if you were taught that way. When I read the Tanakh, I noted that obedience to commandments/morality are closely linked to life, not afterlife reward. There's a common theme where when Israel (or other societies) strays from God's commandments destruction follows. It should be intuitive: If corruption and immorality pervade a society that society will likely implode or suffer great upheaval. It's true on a personal and societal level.

There is essentially zero afterlife mention in the Hebrew Bible.

So what? All Abrahamic sects are the same superstitious nonsense (especially the literalist – e.g. jihadi & ultra-zionist – delusions). Of course you missed my "explicitly irreligious" counterpoint so I'll repeat it here:

... it's the unholy "parties of god" on both sides committing atrocities that "explicitly" sabotages any prospective (secular) resolution to Israeli-Palestinian hatreds. — 180 Proof

Israeli Cabinet Votes to Shut Down Al Jazeera’s Operations in the Country

I’m sure this will be normalized somehow, but before the parroting of Likud spin: how fucking pathetic.

All Abrahamic sects are the same superstitious nonsense — 180 Proof

Because they believe in God? Or is it the talking snakes?

it's the unholy "parties of god" on both sides committing atrocities that "explicitly" sabotages any prospective (secular) resolution to Israeli-Palestinian hatreds.

Atrocities come from both secular and religious sources. Hamas is religious, PLO is secular. Likud is a mix. Bibi is secular but obviously zionist. Decades of bus bombings and stabbings will lead to the rise of parties like Likud. Israel is an amazing, beautiful place regardless of whether one is religious or not. Resolution will come when the Palestinians renounce their ownership claim over all of Israel. Until then, constant war.