The more diplomatically isolated Israel becomes, the more it turns into a strategic liability to the US.
When US support for Israel starts waning, that's when this ball may finally start rolling. — Tzeentch
However, I get the sense if you talk to Israelis, even liberal/moderate ones, they would ask you what a moderate Palestinian might be, as they haven't seen one? — schopenhauer1
As Benny Gantz and Gallant have critiques Netanyahu for, you need a political end game. — schopenhauer1
Take it for what it's worth, but while I was there I did not hear a single Palestinian express they believed violence was the solution. — Tzeentch
Western analysis generally rests on the supposition that there is no empathy for the suffering of brown people, be it working as slaves in a mine or then shot for sport, but this is of course only generally true in the West; there are plenty of brown people who empathize with other brown people, and it is this emotion and its consequence that I would put money on we will see, however unforeseeable it may be in its eventual particular manifestation. — boethius
This to me is wildly inaccurate to the goings-on in Israel.. especially since over half the population are Middle Eastern Jews.. But also, if that were the case, countries like Saudi Arabia wouldn't be tolerated for their treatment of people and human rights abuses.. It's more about strategic interest and historical affinity, not this Leftist oppressor narrative. — schopenhauer1
Good luck with that. Israeli politics have changed. That's the problem here.Israel simply needs to go back to the table and offer a solution and stop supporting right-wing agendas in the name of security. — schopenhauer1
Correct. They just reject the PLO as their country has been all the time rejecting any Palestinians that have talked about a two state solution. Netanyahu has been quite successful in this.However, I get the sense if you talk to Israelis, even liberal/moderate ones, they would ask you what a moderate Palestinian might be, as they haven't seen one? — schopenhauer1
Times are changing indeed. I think the day is coming when the "Isreali lobby" will lose it's grip on the discourse about Israel and the US support will not be so unconditional as it is now.So great to watch Bibi and his ilk squirm and cry over being left behind by… basically the entire world. — Mikie
Correct. They just reject the PLO as their country has been all the time rejecting any Palestinians that have talked about a two state solution. Netanyahu has been quite successful in this. — ssu
(Dec 7th, 2023) Nearly half a million Israelis have left the country since 7 October, according to data from the Israeli Population and Immigration Authority.
Israel’s Zman magazine reported that 470,000 Israelis have emigrated from Israel and it is not known if they will return at a later point.
Data also shows a significant decline in the number of Jewish immigrants to Israel since the start of October, by about 50 per cent compared to the start of the year.
According to the data, migration to Israel declined by 70 per cent in November compared to previous months of 2023, with 2,000 immigrants arriving in November compared to 4,500 who arrived every month since the start of the year.
And that's why Netanyahu supported so eagerly Hamas, those Palestinians that are against a negotiated two state solution. — ssu
Negotiation with the intent of not conceding the hard stuff is relatively easy hoop to jump through. — schopenhauer1
Giving up the land you legally have a right to is not conceding the hard stuff? — Benkei
Why don't you explain to people who actually lose their homes, families, community and culture what else they should give up on to really get to the "hard stuff"? — Benkei
Right of return is off the table. — schopenhauer1
Who decides this? Why is it off the table? Because Israel says so? It's a negotiation. Nothing is off the table. — Benkei
And that's how Israel usually blocks every progress by putting demands on the table before negotiations even happen. And you happily go along with it because you obviously have zero experience in negotiations. — Benkei
Yes some things are non-starters. If the religious right demanded that all Jews have right of return to their ancient homeland of Judea and Samaria you’d probably say that’s a non-starter. — schopenhauer1
No Palestine has blocked their own progress because they never accepted a Jewish state in any variation since the Peale Commission..lost every war that would make it a reality, and then from a position of having lost make demands 45 years later to effectively dissolve the current contingent demographic majority of a Jewish state. The Palestinian leadership certainly failed big time at negotiations..They had Clinton backing them, everything set to get their nation states, compensation for refugees, ln and exchanges, East Jerusalem, etc. they had a prime minister who was bending over backwards based on the politics of the time. — schopenhauer1
What realistic prospect of a Palestinian state are you even talking about? — Tzeentch
And even if university students are showing what future generations will think about Israel's actions, it will take a long time for opinions to change in the US because of the evangelist support will not go away. — ssu
What realistic prospect of a Palestinian state are you even talking about? — Tzeentch
The 2000 one.. where 92% of land was contiguous. — schopenhauer1
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