This led to the UK government declaring that "woman" refers to biology. — frank
In relation to the protected characteristic of sex—
(a)a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a man or to a woman;
(b)a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to persons of the same sex.
There is a fundamental difference between trans and other issues.That's fine. I have some sympathy with your position when we're dealing with transgender issues. But the same arguments have been used for dealing with sexual orientation and race issues. At times, and sometimes still, most bodies want gay and black people to be classified as biologically, or at least socially or morally, atypical not to mention inferior. It's a bad argument in terms of what's right and wrong, but it's right politically - don't try to ram your values down your fellow citizen's throats. There are years of patient groundwork that has to accomplished first if you want to succeed in those kinds of social changes. — T Clark
A Black person is black, — Malcolm Parry
And fuck your attempt to clarify reality for us all. — unenlightened
That isn't very nice. — Malcolm Parry
Your racial absolutism wasn't very nice. And I didn't even mention black albinos, or non-negro blacks of Papua and Australia, or ...
And discrimination is discrimination, ha ha. — unenlightened
I’ll leave it there. — Malcolm Parry
Good idea, your flames are no substitute for an argument. — unenlightened
I prefer discussion but it appears to be beyond you. Which is fine. — Malcolm Parry
You prefer pontification; but only your own. I thought you were going to leave back there? — unenlightened
If a series of concepts suits the better intellectual benefit of the many then why not adopt them and dictate it as such as its already been done in legal language as regards sex? — substantivalism
There is a fundamental difference between trans and other issues.
A Black person is black, a homosexual is homosexual, A trans woman is not a woman. — Malcolm Parry
However, people seem to make snide insinuations to racism and homophobia. — Malcolm Parry
My wife is at least as white as she is black, but she is clearly black. such are the mysteries of race-mixing. Our daughters are only slightly black, but are still black. — unenlightened
That is not only a social fact, it used to be a legal fact too. — T Clark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_lawsAnti-miscegenation laws are laws that enforce racial segregation at the level of marriage and intimate relationships by criminalizing interracial marriage sometimes, also criminalizing sex between members of different races.
In the United States, interracial marriage, cohabitation and sex have been termed "miscegenation" since the term was coined in 1863. Contemporary usage of the term is infrequent, except in reference to historical laws which banned the practice. Anti-miscegenation laws were first introduced in North America by the governments of several of the Thirteen Colonies from the late seventeenth century onward, and subsequently, they were introduced by the governments of many U.S. states and U.S. territories and they remained in force in many US states until 1967.
You’re missing the point of my post to Amadeus D. Whether or not he, or you, think a trans woman is a woman, it doesn’t change the fact his argument has been used to deny basic rights to black and gay people. — T Clark
Please, no more misrepresentations of what I wrote. — T Clark
I actually don't understand how biological absolutism has anything to do with the struggles of blacks and gays. How is it even vaguely related? — frank
they were introduced by the governments of many U.S. states and U.S. territories and they remained in force in many US states until 1967.
Philosophically I don’t think anyone can jump the gap of their sex and become the opposite gender or non gender. The sex of a person is there for everyone to see unless there is significant surgery and synthetic hormones used. — Malcolm Parry
I assume even the most radical trans advocate has acknowledged that female sports is not a place for trans women. — Malcolm Parry
I have no issue with someone adopting the stereotypical norms of the opposite gender but that is cosplaying and does not reflect the reality that men and women can be whoever they like to be. — Malcolm Parry
Yes! Poor locker room design is the issue. Why do we have locker rooms that force us to differentiate on the basis of our genitalia? If the issue is modesty, why not have individual cubicles? — Banno
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