Her story abruptly changed recently. — frank

"Two women told Business Insider that Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer who has accused Joe Biden of sexual assault, mentioned the alleged incident to them in the mid-1990s, around the time she says it occurred. Lynda LaCasse, who once lived next to Reade, and Lorraine Sanchez, who worked with Reade in the California legislature, both say that Reade told them she had been fired from a job for reporting sexual harassment. Though Sanchez didn’t recall Reade telling her that Biden was the perpetrator, or that the misconduct in question was a sexual assault, the story LaCasse heard lines up closely with the one Reade has taken to the press.

“I remember her saying, here was this person that she was working for and she idolized him,” LaCasse told Business Insider. “And he kind of put her up against a wall. And he put his hand up her skirt and he put his fingers inside her. She felt like she was assaulted, and she really didn’t feel there was anything she could do.” Reade was in tears as she told the story, LaCasse added."

Exact same story that she told her friends at the time.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/theres-new-corroborative-evidence-for-tara-reades-story.html

As for your friend Frank, @Xtrix:

But if it were a choice between an accused pedophile Joe Biden and Trump...

...I would choose Biden before Trump in an instant. — Frank Apisa

Any comment on that hypothetical? Do you see anything potentially wrong with making a credibly accused pedophile, President? The point here is to highlight the fact that at some point, the character of the person elected must matter.

Strawman. I've made it clear Biden is an:

accused rapist — Baden

with the accusation being credible and gaining credibility recently. Which is exactly the situation. The rest of your post doesn't rise above a cartoon version of what your opposition is saying. I've never, for example, said everyone who will end up voting for Biden supports rape or is an apologist for rape. If you want to challenge any of that, you better quote me or consider yourself corrected.

Just to add to that, nationally, Biden is currently losing with men and ahead with women by 20 points. If he doesn't maintain a significant lead with women going into the election, he's a goner. The GOP are licking their lips at this.

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Maybe it's a politically motivated false accusation; it should not end the campaign (it should be investigated asap due to the public's need for accurate information about their candidates IMO). But the fact that democratic loud and bleeding hearts are exceptionally silent on this is just loathsome. You can't kick up an ultimate fuss about rape-culture and then not look stupid when you do a full speed 180 the moment it's no longer convenient... — VagabondSpectre

My position is that the Dems should make a calculation based on whether the accusation is likely true or not and act on that. Because if it is, it's not going away and it's getting more credible by the day. So, yes, an accusation alone should not necessarily end a campaign, but time is running out and the Democrats are faced with a huge risk running him or a quick bloodletting by putting someone else in there (Of course, there was a huge risk anyway considering his mental state, so it could be seen as a bonus 'out' for them.)

So, the worst-case scenario in running him is a big loss and down-ballot carnage as the GOP saturate the airwaves with ads like the one street posted and the allegation gets more legs. Not only do they lose the election but they also lose any moral high ground they had over the GOP with women, and suburban moms stay at home disgusted at both parties. The worst-case scenario in running someone else is they also lose but still retain some moral integrity, which is likely to work better for them down-ballot.

I'm open to some detail on why it's impossible for the Dems to rid themselves of him, but as things stand, I'm not convinced. Apply enough pressure from the right people, including privately, and maybe he'd stand down voluntarily. Call it health reasons. Whatever. But unless he's cleared and they stick with the loathsome backflip strategy, they will fully deserve their loss in November.

"WhY sAcriFiciNG 1000 ViRgINs On the AlTaR oF CThULhU iS nOt As BAD aS a sECoND TruMP PreSideNCY, aND wHy iM voTinG for BiDeN" — VagabondSpectre

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By the way @frank, on the accusation that we're just bored because we object to powerful politicians raping and sexually assaulting women, go bleep yourself. We were both saying the same things when it came to Kavanaugh (and Trump). If you can't work out why, your loss.

The "it's just a gotcha" thing is so absurd it didn't even make the bingo.

The idea that this is a "gotcha" is incredibly stupid and crass. A woman says she was raped here. And then you talk about the poignancy of a feminist on an article behind a paywall. You're a mess on this.

Edit: Cross-posted, but yes, bizarre and sick.

Oh, there was "the Democrats won't budge" too. Well, they definitely won't if everyone just rolls over. I'm not convinced that's the end of it, especially as there was no evidence provided to back up the idea that it must be.

I asked for a viewpoint from posters here. I can't exactly carry on a debate with her, can I? Or do you just want me to dig up quotes from those who don't support Biden as a riposte? And there's nothing to what she said as it stands. It was "I'm a feminist and I support Biden because > utilitarianism". That's it. Period. So, what does that add to the conversation, frank?

If all you've got is ad homs and a quote from one random feminist who supports Biden, you've got nothing. When you can formulate an argument of your own, feel free to do so.

Oh God Biden's going to fucking die, and he'll take anyone who has cared about sexual assault and rape down with him. This is not a take-down of Biden - this is a take-down of anyone who ever asked that women's grievances be taken seriously. Biden's actually going to fucking ruin the credibility of an entire generation and cause for justice. Holy shit. — StreetlightX

Maybe a sensible Biden supporter can address this. How much are you willing to tear down for Biden? And why? Why can't you get away from the guy? The chances the Reade thing is going to be resolved in his favor are extremely low right now. Why not campaign to get him removed? Start now before it's too late.

The ad is spot on. The Dems are horribly exposed here.

But if it were a choice between an accused pedophile Joe Biden and Trump...

...I would choose Biden before Trump in an instant. — Frank Apisa

Seek help.

In any case, what you term "morals" factors in very low on my list of qualities I want in a president. — Frank Apisa

So if it turned out Biden was a paedophile, you'd still support him? (Or to make it more analogous, let's say he was credibly accused of paedophilia). What exactly would he have to do for you not to support him?

It's you and the Dem machine who want Trump to win. Why else would you be getting behind a senile accused rapist? You realize without suburban women, you have zero hope of winning, right? You realize vast swathes of them are not going to vote for someone they think is a rapist? And you realize you can't make them forget about Tara Reade by calling them Nazis? What you need to do is make Biden stand down. If you don't do that, I conclude you want Trump to win.

@frank

This is not the exact video but I think one of the doctors is the same guy and it mentions the issue I was talking about.

Lol. Good luck. I'd be happy to be proved wrong. We'll check back on it in a month.

So you think the best way to find a candidate with personal integrity is to just have more parties to increase the odds one won't be a piece of shit in his personal life? — Hanover

Funny, in every other area of life, Americans scream about the virtues of choice. You need 700 flavours of ice cream, but you can't see the point in more than two political parties. Imagine you had only two flavours of ice-cream, shit flavoured and puke flavoured. There's your political system right there, even leaving aside the fucked personalities of your current candidates for the presidency.

Come back a month after opening and if folks are behaving themselves and infections are going down, you can call it a relative success. Of course, if folks are behaving themselves, your economy will still be somewhat screwed, just not lockdown screwed.

I'll try to dig up the video. Maybe you can comment more on it then.

So stupid. There's a delay, you know. So the situation you have now is a result of your earlier lockdown. The situation you'll have later will be the result of opening up. And you know that because you're not a retard, so why are you saying this?

And eat a live baby?

Posters on here be like:

Yeah, I know Biden just ate that baby on live TV, but you know, the supreme court!

:lol: Anyhow, pencil in 'insane clown shit show' for November.

Either of them could eat a live baby and it'd still only be a fight over a few percentage points. Such are the wonders of a two party system and the self-fulfilling attitude of having no choice.

I want to start meth or something. — Shawn

You can safely relegate that to the bottom of your solution list, Shawn.

Did we really just abandon Sanders over this sloth-turd? — Shawn

But according to Dianne Feinstein, who was instrumental in going after Kavanaugh, Reade is a liar, because, I don't know, it's a Dem this time. Stacy I'll-say-anything-to-get-that-VP-slot Abrams recently jumped on that train of shame too. :vomit:

Yeah, getting harder not easier to understand. I heard a doctor on YT the other day say it's not like pneumonia where the lungs tire out but more like a lack of oxygen at high altitudes. The point being that ventilators don't help much because the lungs have lost the capacity to absorb oxygen and manually pumping them doesn't solve that problem.

But Hanny said it's happy days over there?? :death:

Biden needs to drop the fuck out. Get your head around it Dems, running a probable rapist like nothing is wrong exposes the emptiness of everything you pretend you are.

The neighbor is super credible. She's a lifelong Democrat and a Biden supporter.

Durn. We'll never get you edumucated then.

I find it very difficult to give serious consideration to any intellectual with a French accent. — Banno

Try turning down the sound, reading the captions, and mentally adding 'mate' to every second sentence.

You mean if all the old buggers popped their clogs, would we be screwed?

I'll leave that one to the gallery.

In the meantime, Piketty on the virus and social inequality.

I've been concentrating on the developed world. Lockdown in some parts of the developing world, such as India, seems to be being carried out in a way optimized to protect the interests of particular classes and ignore the interests of others. That is a clear problem. First I've heard of an issue with TB, so I can't comment on that as yet.

The way you talk about sex is too stupid to be considered seriously, so you escape the admonition. You're welcome.

This reminds me of an amusing story about a guy I once new in my early twenties. We (a bunch of lads) were taking about whether women liked anal sex and he piped up quite seriously:

"That's one of the first things I ask them."

:lol:

See, that's funny for a reason.

Ok, anything you say is because we believe/deem it to be important right? — ttjordy

Not everything. Hence, "small talk" etc. But certainly subjects you've yourself described as "deep" and as "convictions" would fall in that category.

If they don't say to me that they don't want to hear about it, how am I to know? It works both ways. — ttjordy

Common sense based on shared cultural norms. So, for example, if I'm having lunch with a female friend, I don't begin the conversation by telling her how much I love anal sex (or whatever) because that to me would be inappropriate. And it's inappropriate because of the likelihood it would make her uncomfortable . Of course, it kind of depends on your circle of friends, but it's just like anything else, it's sometimes a breach of decorum/etiquette to say certain things in certain contexts. The fact that these things may be true is irrelevant. You don't get brownie points for honesty when you're volunteering information that hasn't been requested and is of no obvious value to the person receiving it.