Yet everyone on the team anticipates the same moment in time.
— frank
Each person in the team has access only to his or her psychological time. As I argued in the OP, we cannot experience subjective time since we don't have any sensory system for it. — MoK

So why do they pull at the same time?

You should conduct a reading of Parmenides. That would be awesome.

Can't live with them. Can't live without them.

:grin: :up:

As @Metaphysician Undercover recently noted, Plato obliterates his own theory of forms in Parmenides. Do you think you might be attacking a strawman?

Not so much. Forms might be a type of universal, or a theory about universals. But universals need not be perfect or idealised, nor exist in a world distinct from our own, nor cause the properties of particulars. — Banno

Nit picking.

1: You said there's no need to invoke forms to explain what we do.

2: Forms and universals are the same thing

3: You asserted that there's no need to invoke universals to explain what we do

4. In fact, you can't explain anything at all without using universals. You certainly can't explain what we do without using them.

What I did there was highlight your use of "explain" to lead into reflections on how we're all bound to universals because we can't think or speak without using them. So I was criticizing your attempt to frame priorities in terms of actions.

Yes, we certainly do things. This was never in question. But without conscious thoughts about actions, there would be nothing. Nothing acknowledged. Nothing remembered. Nothing asked. Nothing answered. And definitely nothing explained. Because you can't think without universals. They are on the table and you can't sweep them off.

There is a pathway from here to Gnosticism. Let me know if I need to flesh that out.

There's no need to invoke forms to explain what we do. — Banno

You can't explain what we do without using universals. Try it.

The difference is that you simply accepted their claims without question. Do you do that with other extraordinary claims that are made? — Harry Hindu

I usually keep my bullshit to myself.

You mean you haven't and yet you speaking for them? — Harry Hindu

No, I don't mean that.

How does one live as a woman if one is a guy? — Harry Hindu

Why don't you find one and talk to them about it?

What does that even mean? — Harry Hindu

I think you're pretending not to understand what a trans woman is. It's a guy who is living as a woman, with or without surgical and hormonal modifications to enhance the appearance of femininity.

Yes. I disagree that a man can transition to being a woman. A man can transition to being a trans woman. I don't really understand why anyone would deny that, but I'm open to hearing the answer (though I might still disagree even after understanding it).

I think it's very clear that transitioning is psychologically precarious for some people. Apparently not for others. All any of us can do is look past the face, the race, the sex, the religion, the what have you, to the living breathing being who animates the form. I sort of feel sorry for people who can't do that.

It's not a matter of rights. If the public owns the toilet. Access to it is up to the public.

Irrelevant. What needs to be proven here is if a man can be a woman. — Harry Hindu

So you're abandoning your whole "everybody has a right to be safe" thing? You're leaving me to pee in front of dwarves even though I don't feel safe?

By allowing men into women's safe spaces, the assaults in bathrooms will go up undoubtedly. — Harry Hindu

Prove it.

What are the statistics on dwarf on normal-statured people assaults vs men on women assaults? — Harry Hindu

There are probably more men assaulting women. What are the statistics on men assaulting women in bathrooms?

That depends on whether your fear is realistic or not (delusional). — Harry Hindu

Is the state supposed to sort out the nature of my fear, and then rule on the dwarf issue?

I'm saying that everyone, including women, has the right to feel safe. — Harry Hindu

If I don't feel safe peeing with a dwarf in the room, is the state supposed to do something about that?

Hollywood went to crap 30, or 40 years ago. This is just the icing on the cake. — Punshhh

A crap cake?

Witt didn't believe all meaning is in the context of language games (PI 43). That's your outlook.

Here's a simple language game involving an infinite regress.

Here's a sqip: i

If you take any squip, and put an "i" on it's left side, the result is also a squip.

So since i is a squip, so is ii. and since ii is a squip, so is iii.

You get the idea.

Here's a language game about that language game: Is there a largest squip?

Now, where is the problem? — Banno

That's not an infinite regress.

Why would that be a problem? — Banno

You can't get there from here.

Neither. I experience psychological time only. — MoK

Yet everyone on the team anticipates the same moment in time. This is verified by their pulling in unison.

Philosophical systems are myths (though we forget this while they're giving us purpose). When an old myths dies (as Hegel's did), the energy that was bound up in it becomes disorganized. We end up with a religious smorgasbord.

You recently went through a portal and ended up in Egypt where you've found yourself employed in a rock moving gang. Everyone pulls their ropes at the same time, and this is coordinated by a song that sounds amazingly like Delta blues.

As you prepare for the next pull, which kind of time are you experiencing? Subject or objective?

And why not have a language game about language games? — Banno

infinite regress

And what is it for discourse to be meaningful? Of course we can turn from this to consider what we are doing...

"we are playing a language game; what must be true in order to play this language game?" — Banno

Not all language use is game playing. If it was, you wouldn't be able to express the idea of a language game.

Yet I could absolutely see how civilization, and the problem of standards, media of exchange, and commerce could inflate this notion into something with greater depth. — Count Timothy von Icarus

:up:

Right. As far as I can tell it's not a matter of rights. It's just up to the community's sentiments.
— frank
Do we have a right to feel safe? Does our need to feel safe override other people's rights to do other things? — Harry Hindu

Are you saying that women have a right to use the bathroom without biological men in the room?

Right. As far as I can tell it's not a matter of rights. It's just up to the community's sentiments.

When did humans first ask about what's real? It requires the idea of falseness, the ability to totalize, and some cultural conflict to insert as the choices.

I don't think it existed in Bronze Age cultures. It may have to do with early free markets where fraud was rampant. Trade was crippled by people who put the peanuts on the top of the caravan and gravel at the bottom. So could falseness be tied to valuelessness?

You're trying to sign your own death warrant. :confused:

Why were these woke films so bad? Well, the wokeness wasn't only limited to the storyline, but starting from the director and the people writing the stuff was made with woke choices. So you had to have female directors, female writers and representation all along. And in the end you got movies and series where basically the people making the whole thing weren't at all in their ballpark. — ssu

Hollywood has gone to crap.

Seems a reasonable request — Malcolm Parry

That doesn't cash out as a right, though.

What they cannot do is infringe the rights of women. — Malcolm Parry

The right to pee without any biological males around?

What about trans men (esp. after hormones and surgery)? Ought they use women's changing rooms because they're biological women? — Michael

Do they have a right to use the women's changing rooms?

Whites only — Michael

Civil rights.

I finished ND with a newfound appreciation for Adorno. I really like this guy on a personal level, and I think his philosophy addressed issues that his community was struggling with. I don't see my community as struggling with those same issues, but still, good stuff.

Hope you guys enjoy the rest of your reading. Peace out!