Philosophy if it is to be of any use should improve the quality of our lives. — Janus
Have you read Nagel's essay Secular Philosophy and the Religious Temperament? — Wayfarer
In any case, I am not worried about outliers. — Kurt Keefner
Any convention that is sufficiently pervasive can come to seem like a law of nature -- a baseline for evaluation rather than something to be evaluated. Property rights have always had this delusive effect. Slaveowners in the American South before the Civil War were indignant over the violation of their property rights [by actions such as] helping runaway slaves escape to Canada. But property in slaves was a legal creation, protected by the U.S. Constitution, and the justice of such forms of interference with it could not be assessed apart from the justice of the institution itself. — The Myth of Ownership
Yet each of us, reflecting on this centerless world, must admit that one very large fact seems to have been omitted from its description: the fact that a particular person in it is himself. What kind of fact is that? What kind of fact is it – if it is a fact – that I am Thomas Nagel? — Nagel
Specifically, [Kimni] is saying that assertoric force is not limited to assertions. — Leontiskos
One can see here why J came under the impression that a non-assertoric force was in play — Leontiskos
Kimhi says that existence is conferred on propositions by the veridical use of 'to be', so that's judgment or assertion. — Srap
I take the veridical use of 'to be' to be 'assertoric force'. — Srap
The problem I see here is that the metaphysics has been detached from the claims. Perhaps Kimhi is decrying this. — schopenhauer1
Then we can say that knowing words is knowing how to work out the meanings of sentences containing them. — Pierre-Normand
All these problems have been dealt [with] before by the ancients and then by the Kantians — schopenhauer1
the point being that psychology (aka "psychologism") structures the world such that A is ~A, but we cannot see but the metaphysical reality is thusly obscured. — schopenhauer1
You write down "P" and that means P is a premise; it's *treated as* true. — Srap Tasmaner
If you read a textbook on anatomy, you aren't supposed to think of it as being asserted by someone in particular. — frank
The book has been out what since 2018? I don't know how many articles have been updated since then, but he gets not a single mention on SEP. (I haven't checked his Google scholar or PhilPapers rankings.) — Srap Tasmaner
the depth and originality of Kimhi's thought
— J
I consider the jury decidedly out on this. — Srap Tasmaner
Frege wants propositions to be the object of thought, but he also wants them to have independent existence. — Srap Tasmaner
you cannot just rip it from a thinker's mouth and solve the problem of the independence of propositions. — Srap Tasmaner
Philosophers are in the habit of indicating the object of judgment by the letter p. There is an insouciance with respect to this fateful letter. It stands ready quietly, unobtrusively, to assure us that we know what we are talking about. — Sebastian Rodl
(This turns out to be the other side of my realization that Frege probably means 'judgment' in some strangely objective sense.) — Srap Tasmaner
Frege is not merely attributing a belief to a subject with his judgment-stroke, — Leontiskos
I just don't think anyone other than a few stray mystics is ever truly illogical. . . . Statements of logic, like the LONC, are indubitable. You don't really have any choice in that. — frank
Am I missing the point here? — frank
I think this heterogenous, but still orderly, collection are the forces we're speaking about. They're baked into the expression like the truth condition is alleged to be.
Whereas the illocutionary force concept is not baked into the commonalities between sentences whose factual content is equivalent. It operates on sentences with a given factual content. Forces seem aligned with the conditions that allow us to grasp an expression's content - content as affirmation, content as rejection. Illocutionary forces are means of operating on an expression's content, content as factual, rejection as practical. — fdrake
I don't know if it helps with Banno's cat. — Srap Tasmaner
At this point I very much want to know what motivates you to have faith in Kimhi. Or more precisely, "Suppose Kimhi's arguments fail. How would you try to salvage his project, and what would the aim be?" What's the target here, for you? — Leontiskos
To begin at the end, my overall judgment is that although Thinking and Being is indeed a
first-rate and perhaps even brilliant piece of philosophy, and although it has genuine
historico-philosophical import, in that, in my opinion, it effectively closes out a 100+
year-long tradition in modern philosophy, namely, the classical Analytic tradition,
nevertheless, all its central theses are false. — Robert Hanna,
the view from anywhere is eccentric, looking to account for what others say they see, while seeking broad consensus . . . It acknowledges that what we are doing here is inherently embedded in a community and extends beyond the self. — Banno
I am unsure why Evans would be committed to this atomistic thesis or to take it to be an indispensable feature of an extension of Frege's notion of sense as applied to object dependent thoughts. So, I don't quite understand what motivates Kimhi's rejection of Evan's account. — Pierre-Normand
the magnitude of the platonism at issue. The old war still rages — Srap Tasmaner
No no, I'm not accusing [@fdrake] of platonism — Srap Tasmaner
The problem is, the reasons for seeing judgment and inference as objective would apparently vouchsafe the objectivity of just about anything. — Srap Tasmaner
A mind and a thought just are related correctly or incorrectly. — Srap Tasmaner
I find reading Kimhi pretty unpleasant — Srap Tasmaner
