It makes a little sense to me now. Are you saying that living is the measure for successful transportation?Now here's the problem: there has to be a line somewhere between "transported" and "not transported". Because, while "degree of difference" might be a continuous measure, whether you survive or not is binary (surviving in a imperfect state still counts as surviving).
And it seems impossible, in principle, to ever know where that line is, as that line makes no measurable difference to objective reality. And it's also totally arbitrary in terms of physical laws; why would the universe decree that, say, X=12,371 means being transported with brain damage, and X=12,372 means you just die at the source? — Mijin
Cannot disagree with that.Not anymore so than the claim of which spawned it, I'd say. — Outlander
I would agree with and to that.It just seems a bit unsound from how I process it in my own head. Not bad. Just, in need of refinement. Perhaps we can do so together? :smile: — Outlander
Like you have said it is unrefined, but I would say something similar to that. The parts with capacity of the human mind is something beyond my original thoughts. I think it would be hard to find that line. The thing is that I have a basic understanding that is coming from my own thoughts, but putting that into words is harder than I thought.So basically, people have different opinions when it comes to large existential concepts outside of the reasonable capacity of the average mind and no one person's opinion on such topics can be more right or wrong than the other, is what I gather you're suggesting. Is that right? — Outlander
Probably is, however I think it is important to state that these are my own thoughts and not that of others.Smells like nihilism to me, OP. — Outlander
That is a mighty example you used, and a dangerous one. I am going to avoid the Holocaust example.Like I mean, unless I'm wrong, OP would suggest being born into a time period and family where that individual ended up going through the Holocaust "has it's benefits"... and even beyond that, is "no different" than if that person was instead born into a rich family not affected by the war at all and only benefited from it. That's a bit of a "hard sell" to me, to put it lightly, but, I'll let OP answer that. If he would like. — Outlander
I can understand your position on land, however I am trying to state that it is our own values that give quality. I will admit that my example with rich vs poor was well poor.No, everything is not subjective and life is not absolutely equal. There IS an objective reality. If everything was subjective, how would we begin to cooperate and build a society? Some land is objectively better than other land. — BC
I have a couple of different ideas from my own thoughts and experience. However suffering is part of life so the justification would be just as much part of 'why should one keep living?' and as such some of my ideas are pointed more towards that.How can life be justified in spite of all the suffering it entails? — kirillov
I thought that this might have been a common idea, but I just didn't really have an support for that idea.If the idea is simply that our external situation (whatever it might be) isn't inherently bad, but rather it's how we choose to view it that determines this, that's a fairly common perspective, often derived from Stoicism. — Tom Storm
What I meant by a different meaning was a lack of meaning, and with that lack of meaning equality. And for the abstraction that transcends lived experience being undesirable, of course it would be. I have decided to put my own values on life going forward while considering multiple views. I think it is important to put the fact that this life being equal is only true while being completely objective. Additionally, I think it is important to live personally, or at least to your own values.But human meaning is entirely context-dependent and situational. To try and turn meaning into an abstraction which transcends lived experience would seem fraught. — Tom Storm
I completely understand why you could see it that way. However my point isn't about material over character. That was only meant to be an example.Rich people and poor people are socially equal because, while rich people have many material advantages, poor people have a better chance of building good character. — T Clark
I would agree with this, except that there is no such thing as an achievable perfect world. Technology is one thing we cannot take back after it is created.In an ideal world, I believe that guns should not be accessible to a civilian population that doesn't need them, they should be accessible to military personnel, hunters and top level security. — Samlw
I meant that is not limiting the options.Genes, environments, nutrients and experiences determine all behaviours. — Truth Seeker
At this point I can't help but admit you right. It seems I was thinking too superficially again.What we can overcome and what we can't overcome is not free from determinants. — Truth Seeker
You learn more everyday.But planarian flatworms appear to escape this fate. — Truth Seeker
Wow, that is all very interesting.No. Planarian flatworms are truly extraordinary organisms with several remarkable biological features that have fascinated scientists for decades. Here are their most impressive characteristics: — Truth Seeker
I am not convinced souls exist. I know that many people believe that humans are immortal souls and souls go to heaven or hell after death depending on their religious beliefs and practices, but I am convinced that these claims are false. Just as I am convinced that the belief that souls reincarnate based on karma is also false.
My thoughts and emotions are not part of me. They are temporary mental states. I am not an entity. I am a temporary sentient process generated by my brain activities. — Truth Seeker
My point is not the method but the possibility, I am not going to spend years of effort to precisely answer those questions. If it is not impossible then it is possible, and that means there is nothing foolproof.You didn't answer any of my questions about how I would know when and where you would jettison me in the vastness of space. Even if I were Elon Musk and owned SpaceX, I would still need to know the time and place. — Truth Seeker
Yet you are still alive today as a human. You are part of the universe, and as such all the things the universe have given you are also part of your own being.Yes, my genes, environments, nutrients, and experiences determine and constrain my choices. I am impersonal about it because it is impersonal. The universe is not conscious. It didn't intend for me to come into existence. It didn't plan what genes, environments, nutrients and experiences I would have. — Truth Seeker
Is their ability to regrow their heads the only reason you admire them?I really admire planarian flatworms. — Truth Seeker
That's actually kind of cool.No human is currently immortal. So, I don't have any way to test how being immortal would affect a human. I have already tested how being immortal affects planarian flatworms. They thrive unless I kill them by denaturing their cells by heating them to 300 degrees Celsius. Since they can't talk using English, I couldn't ask them questions about their personality. — Truth Seeker
I understand that without all the extenuating factors, like being held at gunpoint, a person would likely choose what they like. However is that always true?I think Joe will choose that object of all available objects which will lead in summary to Joe's greatest satisfaction. If Joe feels satisfaction in proving that there is a "free will", he will choose an object he dislikes just to demonstrate his alleged free will. But in fact he just compared the satisfaction regarding his preferred object with the satisfaction regarding the free-will-demo. During the comparison he found out that the free-will-demo will make more fun. So Joe was determined to do the free-will-demo. His personality and personal taste forced him to do this. Yes, there were other choices and they were free in the sense that nobody was threatening him with a gun. Freedom requires a reference -- free of what? Free of threats. But the choices were not free regarding his personality and his personal taste. Joe likes the idea of a "free will". That's his ideological taste. So he is determined to construct a proof in order to satisfy his taste. — Quk
We will just have to disagree, all of my emotions and thoughts are part of who I think I am. My emotions can't be others, my thoughts can't be others, they are mine and part of me. What do you find the difference between yourself and emotions, are they not yours. I understand that you think they are different from your thoughts but they are still part of you.My thoughts and emotions are not part of me. They are part of my subjective experiences. I am a temporary sentient process generated by my brain activities. This sentient process is paused during dreamless sleep cycles and by general anaesthesia. When all of my brain activities stop permanently, I will cease to exist. — Truth Seeker
And I am saying that these are part of you. You are not just a soul, your body and factors you might consider temporary are also part of you. Your brain is a part of you, if it arises from your brain it is also yours.My preferences arise due to my brain activities, which occur due to my genes, environments, nutrients, and experiences. — Truth Seeker
Im not saying it is easy, but is it impossible? And I am talking about exactly impossible, that means no way no matter what you do it cannot happen. It is possible to talk to Elon Musk (Not easy, but certainly not impossible).How would I know that you were going to abduct me and bring me to space in a rocket, then jettison me into the vacuum of space? I don't personally know people like Elon Musk who have the means to go to space, and I certainly am not rich enough to pay SpaceX to rescue me from the vacuum of space. Even if SpaceX rescue me for free, how would SpaceX know exactly where I am, given how vast space is? How would SpaceX get to me from Earth in the mere five minutes it would take for me to die? — Truth Seeker
Then I assume you are being impersonal about it, you admit that these experiences have an influence on you. Originally you say that your choice isn't completely free, and my stance is that it is not better to desire to become that way,I never said that I don't want others to influence my decisions, nor do I hate the influence others have on my life. — Truth Seeker
I am not talking about a role in their life, but more of their personality.Why would it play a much less vital role? — Truth Seeker
You are not these but they are all a part of you. Do you know who you are? If you say all these things aren't a part of you, then what are you?My sense of self is generated by my brain activities. I am not my thoughts, just as I am not my emotions. Thoughts and emotions are temporary mental states that I experience. — Truth Seeker
This one is highly related to the everything else. Are you mad that you chose the flavor of ice cream you like? Your preference is also a part of you.Yes, but what we like and dislike are not freely chosen by us. Our preferences are determined by our genes, environments, nutrients, and experiences. — Truth Seeker
Not exactly wrong but just extremely hard. If I drop you off in space, what if you prearranged to be picked up. While the idea is extremely difficult and would take a super genius to predict it is not impossible.This is false. If you abduct me and release me in the vacuum of space, would I be able to survive their by overcoming the lack of oxygen and the lack of heat? No, I wouldn't. — Truth Seeker
I believe you have stated that experiences play a role in your behavior, or something to the same effect. While another person influencing you could always seem bad, I might see it as a gift. The memories of the experience you have is a gift/burden/responsibility (One or more of these). I think it wrong to hate the influence other people have had on my life, just because I don't want them to influence my decisions.don't understand what you mean. Please explain. — Truth Seeker
My original statement that provoked this response is based on the fact that others influence can be a gift. If it is a gift like I say then trying to throw it away is the same as freeing yourself from others.I never said that we should free ourselves from others. Nor did I say that I want to be disconnected from others. — Truth Seeker
No, all four categories of variables - genes, environments, nutrients, and experiences are essential. — Truth Seeker
Ahhhhh, I understand better now. I have thought about this before myself. Everything one does and will do is affected by everything.They occur due to brain activities which are determined by genes, environments, nutrients and experiences. — Truth Seeker
Yes, but how does that connect to our original topic. You are basically agreeing with me that the Gene part in GENE is less important than the other parts.If you took two identical twins and raised one to be a goat herder in Kenya and raised another to be a Navy SEAL in the USA, their GENE Profiles would be hugely different because while they started out as zygotes with identical genes, they had very different environments, nutrients and experiences. — Truth Seeker
You are saying that only if you had training would you try to disarm the assailant. This is wrong, even without training you can try.For example, if I had received training in how to disarm assailants, I would use that training to disarm the shopkeeper holding the gun to my head and buy strawberry-flavoured ice-cream instead of chocolate-flavoured ice-cream. — Truth Seeker
I think you are putting to much emphasis on genes, (I have read your other current thread).Our choices occur according to our unique GENE Profiles. The closer two organisms are in terms of their GENE Profiles, the more similar are the choices they make. — Truth Seeker
While an interesting idea, I disagree with some of it. People can overcome some of the these factors.I said that our choices are determined and constrained by our genes, environments, nutrients and experiences. — Truth Seeker
I would disagree, sometimes it is just one slip up or letting something slide just once that changes your entire being. While it is possible to not give in a single time, it is very unlikely even more so over the long time of immortality. That is not to say that once you fall into Procrastination you cannot come out. However the main problem is if immortality is wide spread,if there is no stop in reproduction there could be huge amounts of people (billions, trillions, and even more) who are procrastinating.I am not convinced that having an infinite amount of time would cause me to procrastinate indefinitely on everything I want to do. — Truth Seeker
please explain how death gives meaning to our lives. — Truth Seeker
Some organisms are biologically immortal, e.g. planarian flatworms, immortal jellyfish, hydra, etc. If we could genetically engineer all living things to be biologically immortal and place them in spaceships to visit other star systems, thus spreading life across the universe, lives could be saved forever. — Truth Seeker
I don't have a terribly bright idea of how to go about this, because getting every person's support is damn near impossible. However if you stand firm to your principles and never give in, I think those that support the same things you do will follow.How would I get all the people to unite and work together to achieve the 14 worldwide objectives? — Truth Seeker
This question has no utility - it think it is called a rhetorical question. — Pieter R van Wyk
For more than 2,600 years philosophers has studied and contributed to our knowledge and understanding but we still suffer from strife, civil disobedience, revolution, and war. — Pieter R van Wyk
I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder on the 5th of March 1998. My parents told me to ignore the psychiatrist and not take the prescribed medications. I didn't listen to my parents. I trusted my psychiatrist and took the prescribed medications. 27 years and 3 months later, I am still struggling with depression and all the side-effects of the prescribed medications. I have gone from 65 kg to 98 kg as my medication causes weight gain. My mental illness has ruined my physical health, education, career and relationships. I often wonder how my life would be if I had listened to my parents instead of my psychiatrist. — Truth Seeker
The reference is entirely subjective.The question J and I are wondering about is: how far does this go? When does speech about a proper name become nonsense because a contradiction has arisen between an assertion and something essential about the object of the assertion? How did Kripke handle this question? — frank
It's true that I am not as much 'in the thick of it' as you, I also now realize that my comment doesn't exactly fit the situation.It seems to me that the conversation is limited when you don't have clear definitions of what it is we are talking about. — Harry Hindu
I would just like to say that I don't like using English definitions like this.Well, this isn't a delusion because it's true. The English noun "woman" doesn't just mean this. It has more than one meaning. It can also refer to a non-biological gender. — Michael