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do you not appreciate the difference between pattern recognition (e.g., an AI neural network detecting the presence of a orange) and the abilities human Consciousness? — Sir Philo Sophia

No, explain it to me please.

And then maybe you can explain why my telephone is not a conscious thing using Zelebg's method.

no. that is pattern recognition, which current AI robots routinely do. — Sir Philo Sophia

What is the difference?

Your eye's target is a thing that isn't yourself — Qwex

How can you see an imaginary character?

Your own simulate presence. — Qwex

Are simulation and imagination the same thing? I can imagine that I am eating pizza, is that the same as simulating eating pizza?

I suppose it can be argued any imagination you produce is yours only, and thus it is yourself you're talking to. — Qwex

Talking WITH.

However, I'm not ready to explain that. — Qwex

Why not?

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You missed Zelebg's magical module which your cellphone is missing: — Sir Philo Sophia

No, I did not miss it. I explained it.

Consciousness in living beings allows us to recognize things by comparing them to things we know. Once we have recognized a person we can decide to say hello or not.

1. Camera A: visual input extern -> feeds into 2.
2. Program A: subconsciousness & memory -> feeds into 3.
3. Display A: visual output inner -> feeds into 4.
4. Camera B: visual input inner -> feeds into 5.
5. Program B: consciousness & free will -> feeds into 6.& 2.
6. Speaker: audio output extern — Zelebg

Actually this looks like a visual recognition program more than a conscious computer. Some of the new mobile phones and computers have facial recognition software that will welcome you with a cheery "Hello" when it recognizes your face. And the steps are nearly the same.

1. camera picks up your face
2. camera software sends image to facial recognition software
3. 4. facial recognition software sees and scans image then looks for id in data base
5. facial recognition software finds id and decides to send authorize to user
6. speaker says "Hello"

My cell phone listens to me all the time, I think that most of us know this. I always talk about cats to my phone and it always shows nice pictures of them on the lock screen. But do not try to tell me that the bloody thing is doing it consciously, because that is not true.

If you create an imaginary character and you start talking to them, does it mean you're talking to somebody or are you talking to yourself? — Craiya

It means that you are talking with yourself.

What happens when the all seeing eye turns inward? — Wallows

They see all of the inner shit. :chin:

One: Are there implications to the “celebrating” the more secular aspects of Christmas…while not giving even passing thought to the religious reason the “holiday” even exists? Is there an element of hypocrisy involved…or is the activity a normal, non-hypocritical result of living in a culture motivated by that aspect?

And two (A more frivolous consideration): Because of the windowed alcove in which we set the tree, there is an area of that tree which absolutely cannot be seen by anyone inside or outside the house. My wife insists that the area be decorated as fully as the areas that can be seen. Is she nuts…or am I for suggesting it is just a waste of time? — Frank Apisa

I can sympathize with this entirely. I am a non believer but my wife is, so I can sort of say that I celebrate for her. That way I can get my Christmas dinner.

Our tree sits in the corner of a bay window that goes around the corner of the house, and there is a part that sits behind the supporting post. My wife insists that the lights and decorations do not get interrupted and that that part looks just like the rest.
That is what we men love about women, the way they think. So entertaining. :wink:

"Are the police just or am I just? "

Cops are not supposed to be either. Their job is to try to prevent and investigate crime. Justice comes later.

What you described has nothing to do with the police organization as such. It is just a bunch of bullies taking advantage of the fact that they wear uniforms.

Who? BK? I don't know what is all in "real" meat... Not that it matters, cause decaying flesh seems all equally gross to me. — Artemis

http://dailybuzzlive.com/mcdonalds-uses-worm-meat-fillers-can-legally-call-100-beef/
:lol:

Eh, they're just mad that BK is selling a meat-less burger that really tastes good now and are looking for something to complain about. — Artemis

Does that mean that they have stopped using worms as the protein additive, or that worms do not count as meat? :chin:

Over population is probably the cause of some of or even most of the other problems, but their is one thing that is even worse in my opinion.

Vanity.

Zero is the total product of one's life.
You start with it and anything added is left behind at the end.

Impeachment of a president. ---- They say he did something wrong.

A trial without any crime being committed. ---- He says he has done nothing wrong.

And the polls show an immediate rise in popularity. ---- ?

Does that mean that the public approves of him doing something wrong if it will make America great again?

When my dad died, I was sad because of so many things we never got to do or talk about. There are so many things I would like to know about but never will now.

The voice of passion and the voice of reason. — ArguingWAristotleTiff

No other voice for me, they just sing different songs. :wink:

Nah, you're not alone, in fact you are never alone as long as you still have the voices in your head :joke: — ArguingWAristotleTiff

Voices in my head? :gasp: Dang, how many am I supposed to have?

Me thinks that I am alone in the universe.
That being so would make me the last word poster on this thread.
That makes me the winner.

Anyone wants to discuss this FACT.

One of the things that I found out that really helped me to understand why I keep coming here is that we are all fucking crazy. Just in different ways.

Some of the addicts are crazy enough to think that they know everything, others have convinced themselves that they know nothing and are here looking for the answers.
Some have faith that they desire to instill upon others, others just try to push things down your throat.
A few think that the have true knowledge to impart, and others think they are full of shit.

It comes down to the simple fact that, within reason, we are allowed to say what we think and have others try to "correct" our way of thinking. And most of us enjoy learning through this system.

Any intelligent person could get hooked on a place like this.

And I am celebrating the start of my vacation with a few brews, so don't pay too much attention to me or my spelling mistakes. :wink:

Me thinking does not prove you exist. :chin:

You should all be banned for making me waste my time reading this thread.

But I am a nice person, so I will not demand the banning.

Just give me their heads on a silver plate. :cool:

I exist. — Waya

Prove it! :smirk:

She opened a door today.

How does one go about explaining this violation of one's own will in dreams, — Wallows

Why would you want to explain it, it was only a dream.

But some consider dreams to be the realization of actions that a person would like to perform but could not happen in real life. Sort of a fulfilling of unconscious desires.

Shit! I deleted 2 and added 2.

Next time I will try harder not to break them.

Or was that the start of another sentence?

Most of what passes for philosophy is best described as BS. — A Seagull

Who said that? :chin:

The philosopher that evacuated his bowels on the set, he shall eat it?

If it is closed all of the yokels will come to the lounge spewing gobbledygook all over the place where we come to relax.

For instance when kids bully another to the point of suicide, is that a matter of perception that the act is bad and some may perceive that as good? — Sherbert

So now we have a point of view, a perspective from which to perceive "good". Good in the moral sense is different from good in the tasty sense or bad for the environment sense.

In your example there are also several points of view, the bullies, the bullied and the other people that perceive the acts.

The bullies might think what they are doing is well deserved by the person they are bullying and think that it is OK to do it.
The person being bullied would probably think it was bad.
But a third party viewing individual acts or even several acts might not even think about it being bad. It might be perceived as normal quarrels between people or even as just plain stupidity being acted out.

It is only when specific details of a case are revealed that a proper judgement can be made.

Damn, now I am hungry again and its bed time.

That is why I think that lamb does not need to be spiced up, accompanied by a few things to contrast and highlight the flavor yes, but not over spiced up so that the flavor is corrupted(maybe that should be perverted).

Nothing makes good good.
It is just a matter of perception.

Lamb is not really a meat that I enjoy "spiced up", but with pepperoni as a contrasting element it works well. Charcoal broiled lamb with lemon and white pepper is OK, but not with chillipepper.

I have never tried eggplant on pizza, but I did try pizza made from bread fruit plant once. I have been trying to find the time to try making it myself one day because it was good.

Apart from the obvious fact that everything is goat , even lamb and pepperoni, I cannot think of any reason why it would be impossible to order a pizza that is not only all goat but that actually contains eatable goat. :chin:

By the way, does the pizza place do delivery down here in Central America? I have eaten lamb pizza but never goat. :wink:

This should be nominated for "Best Thread of the Year" :rofl:

But I would side with Baden on this. (Not that it means much)

I do little topic starting because, as Baden says, it takes a little effort. And I don't always have the time to create and manage them. I have been working on one for the past year almost and I hope I might finish it in December, if I can remember where I put it and what it is about.

Wallows, do as Baden says and think some more about it. Not wallow in misery about it.
I have faith in your ability to produce something good from this. After all, I think you are the first to come up with this idea.

"I feel stupid compared to many of you here"

So go ahead and prove your point by running away.

Everyone here has been made to look silly at sometime or other.

Supposedly you came here, like many of us, to learn. Running away will not help you to do that.

So the question is: what is your secret to a long and happy marriage? — ArguingWAristotleTiff

That's easy.
I always have the last word in everything.

Yes my love.

As you say my dear.

Yes I agree.

:rofl:

Has anyone one seen a short black and white film from the 1950's called "The priceless Pocket"?

I have been searching for it for some time but cannot find a copy of it anywhere.