Work this through then. Bob's been arrested for statutory rape, so he puts the girl on the stand and proves she's mature, or not, and if the jury sides with him, he goes home, but if not, he goes to prison. Bob goes free after having sex with a street wise 14 year old but Joe goes to prison for having sex with a naïve 22 year old? — Hanover

First of all we are talking about a test to decide whether a person is old enough to engage in sexual activities with other people, not rape.

My idea would be applied before the act, not after. Much like acquiring a drivers license. A sort of preventive measure if you like. And it would be applied to both sexes, not just females. Most males under 18 would probably fail it though due to lack of maturity.

Rape shield statutes specifically protect rape victims from having their sexual past presented at trial. Are in favor of eliminating those so that juries can consider the background of the victim, despite the fact that no rape victim with an extensive sexual past would ever want to press charges? — Hanover

Again, not relevant to my idea of a test.

My point here is that laws have to be clear and let the public know what to expect and what is expected of them. Since the passage of the test you propose generally will follow age, it seems to make sense to base these laws on age instead of case by case bases, — Hanover

While there should be a minimum age somewhere in there it would not be a deciding factor in each case, as your own example of the wise and naive young ladies shows.

especially considering the scrutiny the victim will be forced to undergo at trial and the uncertainty the accused will have in knowing who they can have sex with. — Hanover

Again here you go towards rape and victims, not age of consent which I was discussing. And apart from underage sex being called statuary rape there is quiet often a bit of willingness and even wantonness involved on the part of the victim.

Instead of Judgement day we can have Groundhog Day. — René Descartes

De done got dat one ahready man.

What is the relevance of statements like this — andrewk

A lot of people posting here think that banning guns will solve the problem of people killing other people, I am just pointing out that it is not true. They are the ones that use the fallacy.

It is maybe true that the Florida nut might have killed fewer people, but he would have killed using any method he could. What would have happened if he had taken a nail bomb instead of a gun?

It looks like an undiluted use of the Nirvana Fallacy — andrewk

There is no such thing as Nirvana. At least not for the living.

why not hedgehogs? — CuddlyHedgehog

Because they are almost extinct now due to people tearing down hedges. And they are not as cuddly as groundhogs.

What might be a few questions? — tim wood

Not so much of a question type test, but more in line with psychological development and maturity. Obviously there would be a part of it that would question the person's knowledge about the risks and consequences of sex would have to be included, but it would be more important from my point of view to evaluate their ability to make rational decisions.
And I don't think that there should be a practical section to the test.

Driving is maybe more dangerous than sex, but all you need to do in most places is reach a certain age and pass a test. Then you can drive a very dangerous weapon of mass destruction.

It all depends on your abilities to handle certain situations.

How about we institute a sex license test? And forget the age limit.

what is the next species to dominate the planet going to be like do you think? — CuddlyHedgehog

Groundhogs.

Every responsible gun owner wishes that idiots could be kept away form guns.

As far as I have been able to research, the mass shootings have been carried out by people that the government should have prevented from accessing guns.

That being said, just how far can any government go in restricting access to guns?
I think that it is about as feasible as preventing people access to cars. And there are many cases of underage drivers killing people with "borrowed" or stolen cars.

Laws are only as useful as the governments ability to enforce them. How many more cops would they need to enforce a ban on guns in the USA?

That video is so 60's early 70's.

Ban the bomb and look after the world replicas.

So full of good intentions.

How many old hippies turned into car, gun and fertilizer salespeople? I know a couple that specialize in old car repairs and one that produces and sells plastic products.

Back then we had good intentions and these kids still do.

Don't get me wrong, I am against violence of all kinds, not just gun violence. I was there shouting make love not war as well. But it really does take more than that to make a difference, how many countries have actually banned atomic bombs?

I wish them all the luck in the world and seriously hope they manage to do something about the problem. But, how many of the people in the audience had guns and how many are prepared to give them up? How far would the young lady go to defend her point of view?

Whether or not the constitution actually says that the people can or should own guns is not something that I can really say, but i do believe that the people believe this to be true. They really believe in the right to do so and that whatever infringement upon that right is the beginning of of the decline of their rights. If one right is taken away then the others will eventually follow.

It is true that some countries have had success banning the right to bear arms and own guns, but none of them has the situation that the USA has as a starting point. And none of them has had a total success, only reductions in the crime rate.

Here's a great American: — Banno

Did you hear the part where she clearly says that they knew the kid and that he had mental health problems?
Did you hear where she clearly stated that he would have not have killed as many with a knife?
But he would have killed, because he was the problem.

I have never said that I agree with people killing others with guns, but people who are going to kill, will kill.

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/index.html

Slow down when typing, fellas. Do you not see the caps lock screwing up your messages? — Thorongil

Yes I saw the problem, it was almost as prominent as a total lack of capitalization.

Sorry, I forgot to add this.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2017

fact is, every country in the world has a gun problem but none like america. no other country in the world has as many mass shootings and it is the country that promotes guns the most. if you cant see a problem you are blind. — David Solman

yES i DO SEE THAT THE PROBLEM, AND i UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS WORLD WIDE. wHAT i DON'T SEE IS WHY YOU THINK THAT aMERICANS PROMOTE GUNS. mOST OF THE PEOPLE SIMPLY PROMOTE THE RIGHT TO OWN THEM.

Not being British you would not be aware of this. — andrewk

Oh but I am British. Born in Manchester.

But did you notice the similarity of the circumstances between then and now in USA? Change of government maybe.

Would you believe something more recent maybe?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/25/knife-and-gun-rises-sharply-in-england-and-wales

It is strange that earlier in this thread so many people point to England's gun laws as an example to be followed to reduce gun violence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The statistics seem to be showing that there is a problem with those laws application as well.

Is boredom an accurate reminder that life has no inherent meaning?

Boredom is the indicator that nature uses to advice your that you are not even trying to give meaning to your life.

So if you were able to choose, how would you go? — ArguingWAristotleTiff

Death by oversleeping. X-)

I need help — ArguingWAristotleTiff

We are here, talk to us.

Backyard ponies are fun! — Lone Wolf

No backyard ponies around where I used to live, and the terrain was not ideal for galloping to far either.

As a teenager I used to live in southern Louisiana, when we were not at school we used to be out riding or doing something in water. Summertime was all day riding because it was cheaper than using the boat. We had to work to earn money for gas.

How can I explain this in simple words?
Sore ass from riding horse.
I think that should do it.

Brings back fond memories of days in the saddle and sore ass.

Would it be wrong for her elementary school to reward her with a prize for getting the highest grades in her class despite the fact her "accomplishment" is due almost entirely (if not entirely) to luck? — czahar

I don't think it would be wrong, pointless maybe but not wrong. The fact that she is a genius and learns easily might be luck, but there is still some effort made in the learning process.

why can't we do the same for the woman's son? — czahar

It is his obligation to go to school, there is no option. And his mother probably knows how many days she had to drag him out of bed to get there.

It has been awhile since I rode a bucking Quarter horse! :D — Lone Wolf

Would it not be easier to ride a full one?

I have no idea, but I doubt that it would be a good idea to find out. :s

I'm hypersensitive to caffeine. — Lone Wolf

Interesting, I stopped drinking pepsi a few years ago and I have not had a coke in decades. But I will not stop the tea and coffee even if it kills me.

I am thinking the indoor fireplace might cause a bigger bus fire....maybe? :-O — ArguingWAristotleTiff

Not if it is made properly, no more risk than a normal house. There are plenty of examples on line.

My work is neeeeeever done — Lone Wolf

I definitely think we belong in the same club, you have at least 2 things in common.

Procrastination and excess work.

Do you drink coke or pepsi?

That's pretty fucked up. — TimeLine

Sure sign of jealousy there. X-)

You are quite the opposite of this thread right now. — TimeLine

If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, all I need is a mirror to be happy.

What's your story?

women-so-gorgeous-they-appear-almost-unreal. — Akanthinos

Some of them actually are. Hate tats all over the place like that, ruins the rest of her.

Did you finish yet?

The search goes on.... — ArguingWAristotleTiff

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/5424919/shipping-container-converted-into-a-mobile-home-goes-on-sale-for-58000-and-the-seller-promises-to-deliver-to-anywhere-in-the-uk-at-no-extra-cost/

Find an old container or school bus and build it up yourself. Lots of fun to do and works out cheaper.

Shut up and get to work. >:o

Welcome to the club. :D

See ya.

Says the little angel that supposedly sits on people's shoulders and tells us that we should be doing something useful and not wasting time. :-O — Lone Wolf

My little demon keeps whispering that it is fun, not a waste of time. >:)

Who says?

Why shouldn't I. :-}

Why not? >:)

So that you can be mad at me for refusing. :-O