10+ years on this and the previous forum — schopenhauer1

Nah. — Noble Dust

Wow, your first thoughtful contribution to this thread. Well done. — Noble Dust

Depression is a social disease. You get it when people humiliate, berate, and reject you It gets worse when you do not have a friend in the world. It is very bad when you are isolated in the solitary confinement of a crowd. When ten-damned-things-after-another hinder you from every side, and when you feel rejected and despised by all, eventually you are going to feel defeated and worthless. Want to make it worse still? Drink heavily, use recreational drugs to feel better for a little while, gamble for a short high (while you go broke and get something else to worry about). — Bitter Crank

The Cure is Change, and let me be the first to admit great difficulty achieving the kind of change that I really needed to make. — Bitter Crank

Horrible analogy; stop moving your legs by stopping their movement. — Noble Dust

In other words, you don't have a response to my argument, it looks like. — Noble Dust

We'll take up the tragic cases of unimaginative workaholics in another thread — Bitter Crank

Even though the entry level stuff was annoying at times, I enjoyed a sense of being on the way. My efforts were accumulating. I was paying off the house, not renting. — dog

which means I asked for a detailed approach for how to deal with my mental illness. — Noble Dust

Giving a more detailed approach for how to deal with mental illness is not the same as asking you how to move your legs, no. — Noble Dust

Do you have a more detailed approach in mind that would help mentally ill people to stop "giving a damn"? — Noble Dust

That's where you're going astray. — Noble Dust

J. Krishnamurti, the great Indian philosopher and spiritual teacher, spoke and traveled almost continuously all over the world for more than fifty years attempting to convey through words—which are content—that which is beyond words, beyond content. At one of his talks in the later part of his life, he surprised his audience by asking, “Do you want to know my secret?” Everyone became very alert. Many people in the audience had been coming to listen to him for twenty or thirty years and still failed to grasp the essence of his teaching. Finally, after all these years, the master would give them the key to understanding. “This is my secret,” he said. “I don’t mind what happens.”

Did you catch my sarcasm, or no? — Noble Dust

Do you have a more detailed approach in mind that would help mentally ill people to stop "giving a damn"? — Noble Dust

Or if the work is unpleasant, there had better be a nice home life as a contrast. — dog

Gee, why didn't I think of all that before now??? — Noble Dust

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. Oh wait, that wasn't the poll. — Noble Dust

Are you Lonely?

Isolated?

Humiliated?

Stressed out?

Feeling worthless?

Rejected?

Depressed?

Genes that predispose us to depression, regardless of life events — Bitter Crank

Defective neurotransmitters that result in depression, regardless of life events — Bitter Crank

Work and social conditions which are psychologically unhealthy for us, regardless of our biology — Bitter Crank

Self-defeating ideas and delusional thinking that leads to bad life experiences — Bitter Crank

I think the one on evil was deleted because I referred to my ex-wife as being proof of evil. As evil as she is, she probably saw it and had it removed. — CasKev

I deleted them for low post quality. — Michael

The doctor/patient relationship favors the doctor over the patient, in a power dynamic. The patient's desire to feel better merges with the patient's desire to please the doctor. It biases the choice of goals in favor of the doctor's views of what is normal or not. That is why I think it is a kind of a brainwashing or mind control. — Cavacava

From what I read about ACT it seems to seek the core values of the patient and to use these values to assist the patient in creating goals in line with their core beliefs, which makes sense. — Cavacava

So I can't count it as profit, but I can count it towards my wealth? — Michael

I was worth £X before I bought, I'm now worth £X + £Y. — Michael

What I meant is that if owning X amount of some cryptocurrency which can be sold for £100 doesn't count as having £100, then surely owning X amount of some company's shares (or even something like land) which can be sold for £100 doesn't count as having £100. — Michael

My profits are down from a few days ago, but I've still more than doubled what I put in, so there's that. — Michael

The notion of "Cognitive Distortions" is related to Cognitive Behavior Theory, which I think is a kind of brain washing, the substitution of an ideology to solve neurotic problems. It solves the immediate manifestations of individual problems, by displacing them with whatever the dominant ideology favors, which sinks their causes deeper into the psyche, IMHO. — Cavacava

Good question. What's your take on the matter? — Posty McPostface

Still reading the Shestov. — Posty McPostface

I mean, how does one know if they have 'enough energy' for some task. — Posty McPostface

And, where does this energy come from? — Posty McPostface

Beliefs are subject to being true or not. People with schizophrenia tend to have more cognitive distortions arising in their minds than the rest of the population. But, that's not the point. The point I'm trying to make is that there doesn't seem to be a fundamental difference between beliefs and knowledge as I understand it. So, if one has accurate beliefs about the world then that is knowledge bona fide. — Posty McPostface

Fine, then. Allow me to use that term in a different context. How do you understand a term that cannot be quantified, meaning that which is 'psychological', and at the same time include a term that can mostly be understood when quantifying it, such as 'energy'? They don't seem to go well together. — Posty McPostface

I'm afraid that's the wrong term to use in this case. CBT talks about cognitive distortions, not the right or wrong'ness of a belief. — Posty McPostface

Here's the quote: — Posty McPostface

I just think that there's no point in talking about 'wrong beliefs', 'wrong expectations', and 'wrong attitudes', as if some Ayatullah or priest professing a certain dogma or way of life. — Posty McPostface

Interesting first paragraph. Who's the author? — Noble Dust

Doesn't that term sound too new age to be taken seriously for you? — Posty McPostface

I doubt describing this in terms of 'psychic energy' really frames the issue. It seems more complex than that. — Posty McPostface

I doubt the average person, even the average TPF member, is conscious of what they "live for everyday", since the daily ritual of life doesn't allow for that much reflection. On top of that, when we do reflect on why we live life each day, we tend to come up with a nice ideal: "I live life for the betterment of others", "I live life for the beauty of things", "I live life because it's my imperative to do so", etc., ad naseum. But these aren't real reasons for "living life"; they're justifications for one's existence, and generally not quite truthful. In reality, we generally don't know exactly why we're living life. — Noble Dust

Building my business, learning more, faith, and helping my country, simple. — Agustino

How do we know the reason God planted the Tree in the garden: was it to serve as a temptation or to give man a choice? — Abdul

I think that's a common drive for a lot of people; one that comes from this learned need to be somehow different from or better than others. — CasKev

It probably doesn't help that I work at an old-age home, where most of the people don't know who they are anymore, can't carry a conversation, and/or have to wear diapers and can't wipe their own butts. Seeing people in varying states of mental and physical decay is a constant reminder of what we're all working toward... — CasKev

So, if you don't identify and yes, label behaviors, traits, tendencies, fluidity, and all that, how is it that you eventually get to know who people "really are"? — Bitter Crank

Sure, there is some fluidity in behavior, but behaviors are not so fluid that we can never guess what someone is going to do next. — Bitter Crank

Some mavericks who are very independent thinkers characteristically end up not getting the results they want because they are just not very good at being independent. — Bitter Crank