Yes, and these "repeating patterns of events" remind me of Democritus' "atoms swirling in the void" ...What we refer to as objects are really repeating patterns of events. For people used to thinking of the world as permanent objects with inherent properties the process way of thinking takes some adjustment and getting used to. Objects are repeating patterns of events and properties are relationships between these events. There are no fixed objects with independent properties. Everything that exists is in the process of becoming (not being, there is no static being) and everything depends on its relationships to the rest of reality (no independent objects with inherent properties). — prothero
:100:Atoms are mostly empty "space" and subatomic particles can display both properties of "waves" and "particles". These are really just fluctuations or standing waves in quantum field theory. The distinction between matter and energy is somewhat artificial.
Which "Christians" have been "arguing about" which "this"?Faith in God requires belief without reason-based thought.
— DifferentiatingEgg — T Clark
That's (maybe) a definition but not a "religious doctrine".This one:
Faith in God requires belief without reason-based thought.
— DifferentiatingEgg — T Clark
Why do you – what warrants your belief? And what difference to you/us does that (un/warranted?) belief make?I firmly believe more than one mind can occupy a body... — DifferentiatingEgg
:up: :up:I don't like Anselm's and Aquinas' and Descartes' or any arguments purporting to demonstrate the existence of God. They can be shown invalid and/or unsound. — Fire Ologist
In the context of this discussion and for precision's sake, we shouldn't use "we ... have faith in" where we don't have grounds to doubt makes more sense.And we need to have faith in our senses to navigate crossing the street, and faith in our logic to navigate a conversation.
Even if true (I don't think it is), so what? As Daniel Dennett points out many (most?) people believe they ought to believe – "believe in belief" – in order to benefit socially or psychologically even when they "lack faith".Therefore using reason-based thought for God is necessarily a showing of a lack of faith in God. — DifferentiatingEgg
I think you (and others here) confuse "faith" (i.e. unconditional trust in / hope for (ergo worship of) unseen, magical agency) with working assumptions (i.e. stipulations); the latter are reasonable, therefore indispensible for discursive practices, whereas the former is psychological (e.g. an atavistic bias). "Without assumptions, we cannot proceed ..." is evidently true, MoK, in a way that your "faith" claim is not.Without faith, we go nowhere, and without reason, we cannot find the way! — MoK
:sweat: No, that's false, sir.20th century cosmology has found evidence that space-time had aninexplicablebeginning point. — Gnomon
"How" what?↪180 Proof tell me how. — Benkei
:roll:As I understand it, ↪180 Proof's worldview — Gnomon
In my Epicurean-Spinozist (i.e. p-naturalist¹) terms [ ... ] — 180 Proof
Imho, I think, in order to live every (or most) day(s) in a "fulfilling" way, one has to learn how to enjoy – satisfy oneself with – boredom and being alone by unlearning the habit (vice) of "purpose" – social status-seeking / ambition. Without purpose, there's no "now what?" (i.e. dukkha, angst). Only 'being useless' is sovereign (i forget who said that); consider content (healthy) elderly persons and (well-kept) toddlers. Wu wei is the way (Laozi, Zhuangzi). Thus, very few are ever "fulfilled" ...A fulfilling life consists of purposeful, positive and pleasant participation in life. — Truth Seeker
:up: :up:Husserl himself in "The Origin of Geometry" gives us the tools to get out of the enclosure when he speaks of ideality as something constituted by repetition and reactivation through tradition. This repetition, however, cannot occur by means of an epoché. We interact with things in a theoretical way but without the need to leave the natural attitude. — JuanZu
???Perhaps you did not like that i used the word "idealism"? — punos
There's very much to admire about Lord Russell's works (& logic-chopping) but his potted and unscholarly A History of ... is certainly not one of them.Russell portrayed he of the moustache as [ ... ] — Banno
As Freddy Zarathustra himself cautions his close readers (foreshadowing his Ecce Homo) ...Nietzsche remains the [twilight] idol of post-pubescent males. Someone to consider and grow beyond.
(emphasis is mine)Now I go alone, my disciples, You too, go now alone. Thus I want it. Go away from me and resist Zarathustra! And even better: be ashamed of him! Perhaps he deceived you… One pays a teacher badly if one always remains nothing but a pupil. And why do you not want to pluck at my wreath? You revere me; but what if your reverence tumbles one day? Beware lest a statue slay you. You say that you believe in Zarathustra? But what matters Zarathustra? You are my believers – but what matter all believers? You had not yet sought yourselves; and you found me. Thus do all believers; therefore all faith amounts to so little. Now I bid you to lose me and find yourselves; and only then when you have all denied me will I return to you… that I may celebrate the great noon with you. — Also Spoke Zarathustra
i.e. classical atomists' swirling void or (in contemporary physical terms) random – acausal – vacuum fluctuationschaos — Wayfarer
:fire:Metaphorically, we're maybe ripples that fall in on themselves and disappear - but it's all water. — Dawnstorm
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. — Oscar Wilde
No. Give me the quick & dirty (no doubt it's worth reading if you mention it).Have you read Nietzsche, The Aristocratic Rebel by Domenico Losurdo? — Maw
... what pluralities(?) of voters really want: "trickle down" plutocracy (i.e. Reaganism (B-movie actor –> reality tv performer) on steroids) – strong man politics, sugar daddy economies. Maybe a half century or more of neoliberal globalism (& keynesian US militarism) has groomed most(?) proles, or precariats, to demand "freedumb" (i.e. licence, libertinage) over liberty (i.e. accountably self-governing) and fascistic clowns like Trumpstain (& his sugar daddy Mr DOGEbag) are "the poorly educated" rabble's Id-wanking avatars.[Trump] is literally enacting fascist ideology, as it was formulated by a celebrated fascist ideologue.
Perhaps this crisis of democracy is really ... — Pantagruel
I disagree with your semantic jugglery here, J. I may come back to this "problem" when I have more time later.Now this is a problem, not an explanation. — J
And again, as I've pointed out ...I ask again, if two people disagree about the terms, how can they resolve the disagreement? — J
For example, having greater scientific efficacy (i.e. unfalsified predictive model) "resolves the disagreement" a chemist and an alchemist have about the definition of "heat" or an astronomer and astrologer have about the definition of "planet". In philosophy, however, e.g. a German idealist (i.e. disembodied X) and a French materialist (i.e. embodied X) can only "resolve the disagreement" they have about the term "existence" by either one adopting – becoming convinced via arguments of – the other's metaphysical framework. Competing terms / definitions, in effect, belong to competing vocabularies; one simply learns to speak the other's language (game) in order to use the other term / definition in a way other than one agrees with in one's own language (game).Afaik, only better, more sound, arguments can resolve rational disagreements. — 180 Proof
A "definition" is a statement without a truth-value and therefore cannot be used to "resolve a disagreement"; rather, in a given discursive context, it's either useful to some degree or not at all. Mary's conceptual definition is either more or less coherent consistent & sensible than Joe's. Afaik, only better, more sound, arguments can resolve rational disagreements.Joe offers a particular doctrine about existence, Mary offers a different one. Is there anything either can appeal to, in order to determine whether one is correct? Let's just pick "conceptual definition" from your list. Would Joe and Mary be able to consult such a definition in order to resolve a disagreement between them? — J
Re: Meinong's predication (OP), the definition I think is more useful – less ambiguous – in this context is (a) 'exist' indictates a non-fictional, or concrete, object (or fact) and, by extension, (b) 'existence' denotes the (uncountable) set of all non-fictional, or concrete, objects (and all facts). I'm open to any definition more useful than mine. Maybe I should read past this post ...Let's just pick "conceptual definition" from your list.
The primary beneficiaries of alt-right politics are members of the 1% / ruling class. Their rag-tag army of supporters and voters are not material beneficiaries. — BC
:100:White workers bear the double burden of recognizing how they themselves are the victims of discrimination (as wage slaves) and how they may discriminate against other workers. Don't feel guilty about it; just recognize reality and do better in the future. Blacks are not your #1 enemy: it's the 1%, the rich man who is your enemy and the black man's enemy alike. Unite in solidarity. — BC
Yes.This assumes that the only way to be "mine" or "yours" is to be embodied, doesn't it? — J
Yes, afaik, makes sense.[energy is] a property of space from which particles emerge
So is "experience, or subjectivity" embodied or disembodied? Seems to me easily answerable.The question of how experience, or subjectivity, can be "in the world" if the world is understood physically is currently unanswerable. — J
:100:MoK, the problem with your argument is that it ignores basic science about the brain. Your mind is caused by your brain. That's a pretty well established fact at this point in history. Philosophy has to be constructed on the science and current understanding of the day or else its just logical fiction. — Philosophim
These misplaced concreteness & anthropomorphic fallacies render your (latest) OP "argument" gibberish, Mok. At best, as far as I can tell, you've expressed nothing but a half-arsed verson of "Zeno's paradox" (that's been debunked for millennia). Maybe something's lost in translation – English isn't your first language?Assume that the physical in the state of S1 has the caus[al] power to cause the physical in the state of S2. Physical however is not aware of the passage of time.Therefore, the physical in the state of S1 cannot know the correct instant to cause the physical in the state of S2. — MoK
:up:Either the argument a person presents is logically sound or it isn't. — Philosophim