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Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
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Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"???? Does anyone know how to put an image here?
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Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?It's the way I get things straight in my mind and a reflection of my core Philosophy:
"Reality" is the product of an electroMechanical d/Duality
Caused by properties of reluctance, Resistance and reactance.
c/C\creation I leave to g/G\g's AND individual Choice OR fW
Within it there are only 2 options open to any e\Entity/e:
move up/ \down in energy
OR back- +forth in spaCetime
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Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?The question for me though, is how real are the things which are inferred from these mathematical solutions. — Metaphysician Undercover
Exactly. I have spent a considerable time thinking about that issue. Years in fact.
The "slide" in the representation of Form and function as Physics moves from "Classical" to "Relative" and finally into the Quantum Mechanical viewpoint is v/V\very a\A/ apparent.
The "Click" came for me:
high school students work generally in 2-D since it is easier to visualiz(S)ze and thus convey principles — jgill
I took a pragmatic approach and returned to years -gone By:Y+ an approach that had proved it's-SelF to be both successful and PraCtical for OVER 50Year-/R\+r's.
"blackBox\X/x modeling/G\g's"
:cool:
Will Get Back 2-u.U.u.:ok: :starstruck: -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?electrons were like little BBs, — jgill
Snap :grin:
That is how they taught me about thermionic Valves.
? Do you know anything about them?
ElectroStaticDevice, Works at High Voltage+Temperature. Easy-Peasy :blush:
Now days we employ transistors-Semiconductors+chips.
? Do you know anything about them?
Surprise: NO BBs there at all, JUST holes???
Makes you doubtful about their ExPlanation/s doesn't it.
It did me.
Anyway: Turns out there IS an explanation that works.
(Some math (I have been warned (site police(unwanted emails))
AND which has never failed me in over 50 years) and a thing called an AVOmeter that would sort it all out for M-me+E.
(Thank your mob for that one when you see them next)
Along With whoever discovered a thing called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule
Definitely TRUE I know that from PersonalExperience.
Sorry got to go: Wife just woke up.
Will get back to U-ALL :razz: -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?much as you looking at one on a piece of paper. — jgill
What a garbled mess this thread has become. :sad: — jgill
Yes. Let's see WHAT we can do about it :roll:
(Thanks again for the inspiration BY the w.W.way).
Can you help me predict that Project-Experiment "Grail Quest" will show us that "R"eality is Chunky + hence iT iS Constantly SeeK\ing - SMootH stability - TheRmal eQuiliBRium + Balance.
As required by Universal L&W's of Thermodynamics.
Right I think THAT is IT: (Please Correct Me IF i am Wrong)
No more numbers.!!!!
No more coLouring in fact ors- Form ulae+ function s.
Let's just get that blank 2-D sheet of paper (Virtual OR otherwise) AND
Get Started.
Consider:
The simplest possible r/-R+\reality.
One containing only two different sized sub-atomic particles.
circle 1 in the top Left Hand corner.
Circle 2 in the bottom Right Hand corner.
Give them each an Imperfect+irregular textured surface.
Right.
Time to go away, draw that, have breakfast and pay attention to Wife.
:nerd:
Regards Chris
p.s Will Get Back 2U & aLL .?.
p.p.s. Look after You and yours.
Open for further comments Questions or opinions................now :pray: -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?much as you looking at one on a piece of paper. — jgill
Please take a sheet of paper, a pen and perform the following mental-physical+graphical exercise.
At top of the paper write the following 2-D mathematical relationship-/Rule\relationships'S that have been fundamental to my professional career for over fifty years:
V = I.R where V = potentialDifference I = Current and R = Resistance
XC = 1/2.pi.f.c where XC = reactance pi= relationship between circumference+Diameter f = frequency
TBA -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
correCT.I believe, to shortcut description; — god must be atheist
. CorREctmuch as you looking at one on a piece of paper. — jgill
Please take a sheet of paper, a pen and perform the following mental-physical+graphical exercise.
At top of the paper write the following 2-D mathematical relationship-/Rule\relationships'S that have been fundamental to my professional career for over fifty years:
V = I.R where V = potentialDifference I = Current and R = Resistance
XC = 1/2.pi.f.c where XC = reactance pi= relationship between circumference+Diameter f = frequency
Comments??
TBA -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?The space part of space time is 3-D, and since 2-D is a subset of 3-D a flat square would be just that, — jgill
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Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
My fault entirely.Too weird. Sorry :roll: — jgill
Apologies for the delay in getting back to you.
There is a big difference between knowing something, understanding something and Explaining IT to someone else.:smile: .
eSPeCiaLLY when someone uN-eXpectedly gives you the last Piece of a puzzle that has fascinated you since 1968.
Can I calmly go back to the beginning and start again?:cool: ... ?
Could you perform 3D Mathematical modelling of TWO dimensional Geometric shapes in f r/-R+\r ee SpaceTime?
Do I need to explain further ?-/?\+?---------------?-/?\+?
With sincere Regards+Thank-S
...I am most g/G\gratefully Yours ----
Christopher Anthony Young (former(miet(retIRed 2017 d/D\dueS-s CurrentL)lY unPaid))
p.s. I can rephrase all this IF requested BUT it Will take some time To Complete. -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
Yes, you're back on track in my books. Differences don't take a man off the track. Not recognizing differences or similarities does. You are okay. — god must be atheist
Thank you for your company, feedback and tolerance.
Got there in the end!
unfortunately your shortcuts that replaced longhand explanations are only meaningful to you. They have no interpersonal, only intrapersonal communicative value. — god must be atheist
Exactly. Talking to my self. Bad habit. -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?Hi
Was getting back to your point.(delayed by “housekeeping”)
Agree with you. But also have a different perspective.
My ratio not 50/50 but 49.9999\50.00001 in favour.
After all:
Something has to hold the Universe together
Somebody has to have created it in the first place because God only switched on the lights in my book.
Science has three different descriptions and seems to be arguing with it’s self inn a multiverse of it’s own creation.
Does that put me back on track??? -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?How can you have faith in the existence of these? — god must be atheist
By making myself clearer.
Apologies for sloppy thinking.
Edited previous post.
Now reads:
In my view faith is NOT just about god the son/God the Father\g's holy spirit.
There are other kinds of f/Faith\faith:(AND g-/G\+g's)
Faith in one's SELF.
faith in ones OWN experiences
and
faith in Learned memes proven to be of benefit through Natural Selection.
Moving on:
Faith in one's SELF. The fundamental BIOS of humanity: eXamine/CrY\eat.
faith in Form.
Descartes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito,_ergo_sum
Does that work 4U???? -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?How would that argument sound like? — god must be atheist
In my view faith is NOT just about god the son/God the Father\g's holy spirit.
There are other kinds of f/Faith\faith:
Faith in one's SELF.
faith in ones OWN experienceS
and
faith in Learned memes proven to be of benefit through Natural Selection.
A Question in return.
HOW do youPersonally interpret: g\G/g'S ???? -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
Up to a point. — EnPassant
Precisely. Yes. You make a very important point. ONE that I would totally agree with.
For me:
There is a Considerable difference between a fundamental Physical Reality that is subject to mass
AND a complex multifaceted reality created through Individual experience and the action of:
Matter-Genes+meme's.
One is: "The Board upon which we all write/Play".
The other is "The Scenery within\Which we act AND encounter Consequences".
Source: Newton "To every action there is an equal AND opposite reaction"
Physics asks "how" Nature works, and does not attempt to answer "why" questions. — Gnomon
Precisely. Yes.Yes. You make THE important point. ONE would totally agree with THAT.
re: Physics
I prefer the following definition: Physics. the branch of science concerned with the nature and properties of matter and energy. Source: Oxford Languages.
It is "tuned" to my perspective:
I can interpret "concerned with the nature" as HOW
I can interpret "properties of matter and energy" as WHAT.
I can then Understand WHY, "Drive the Train"and Benefit in the Real World.
On this basis we are all e/E\engineers seeking to answer the ONLY three q/Q\questions that really matter in order to benefit our Genes and validate our memes.
The Scientist simply has a wider viewpoint and works on behalf of Humanity.
Maybe: It's time to listen to him-/Her\IT+ stop playing trains/Monopoly and tidy up our room?
After all it's NOT Real Money these days it's just numbers in a computer-www WE all built. -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?science does not explain why reality is what it is. — EnPassant
No, it does not.
BUT
It does use math to describe the HOW+WHAT of a 3D Reality we are all part of.
Would agree /disagree Yes\No -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?I don't get the analogy of a mirror — TheMadFool
The mirror is a simile reflecting the "FACT" that whatever we all do we are all separated from both Reality and individual reality by a "Translation Matrix". Would you agree / disagree Yes\No -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
No problem .:cool:.
We just see the SAME thing in a d/D\different WAY
.BECAUSE.:
I am still TWo-Dimensional in my thinking.
.I. need to separate + d/D\define - Form AND function in order to evaluate s/S\structure within an electroMechanical system OR .Duality.
.YOU. took time to learn "imaginary" numbers and can think in 3D ?because? mathematics has it's own inherent Structure.
HOW Explain????????
Ah..... mmm.
YES. To quote .MAX BYGRAVES."I wanna tell you a story"
Once upon a time I was totally fascinated by the g/G\great mystery of Electrical and electronic products. So I w/W\waved g\G/goodbye to M-D+ left for college to study City&Guilds Electronic Technician level 1. There I learned about the factors and Properties that determined the behaviour of electronic ProductsV=I.R Xc =1/2.pi.f.C Xl = 2.pi.f.L and the rightHandrule.
Everything was going great Guns: Until -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?I don't think this is physics specific. You can ask "Why" forever in any field and best you will get is circular logic. — khaled
Physics is not about asking anything. It is the study of Form "WHAT" + function "HOW". through the language of numbers. Where is the circular Logic in that? Can you give me an example . -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
I know it is Different. BUT . It Serves a p-/P\purpose for em-/ME+\me. It emphasises my P-philosophy:Your style detracts from the legibility of your posts — Banno
The only options open to ANY PHYSICAL ENTITY are:
------------Move-back+forth in Space : Transition up /OR\ down in energY
Depends: how - long + HOW d/D\detailed Can the eXplanation be ???Would you be surprised that an explanation of American voting regimes does not explain the structure of ant hills in South Australia? — Banno
S.e.e-search "Butterfly Effect"
Because the Universe is a Single electroMagneticentity.Why should physics ever be "complete"? — Banno
AND
Physics is a Mathematical digital-/Dimensioning\+description of ThatSystem employing Formula, functions AND facts. -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?in 2-D since it is easier to visualize and thus convey principles — jgill
You are Right!!!!
Got it the wrong way r/R\round !!!
................................... :sad:
..................................r\R/r
It is NOT math that is a Duality.
Math is a MULTIVERSE : a Translation Matrix just like the mIrroR !!
Thank You 1. Thank You 2. Thank You 3..d/D\d 4? 5? 6?............ISBN 978-0-521-54266-1 Paperback.
.................................................................... :cool: ......c|C|change-g|G|g+s|S|stability = r-/|\R\|/+reality?
..................................................................d\D/d................................Diameter+denSTitY-Balance+?
The p/P\product...................................o-Form+function............RealDiference AND PotentialdifferenZes.
BECAUSE the only options open to ANY PHYSICAL ENTITY are:
Move-back+forth in Space : Transition up /OR\ down in energy.
Origin: Mundells roundabout WGC. 2002. Source UoH = MCY+CAY-g\|/G/|\+g-?x+jgill
Does this ALL make sense to you?
It does to me NOW . thAnks . thAnks . thAnks
"Third time pays forALL" ???― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit........ISBN: MY-bookshelf+???
IF you have the time I have a further Question, a Consider:ation and a st o rY of WHY that MAY explain the Working's of a s/S\single 3d|D|duality-electro/Mechanical\entity I inhabit+am-An EternalPart of................... ..................? -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
Hi Great to hear from you again.
Have corrected the attribution for "Flaw one".
Have Question for YOU (if you're willing?).
Do you believe mathematics is capable of truly modelling a 4Dimensional r/-R+\reality when it is fundamentally a 2 d-Dimensional Virtual Reality?
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Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
Hi Banno
Apologies for the delay in answering.
Your post of a f/F\fact??? is giving me a problem. :confused:
Try this:
How do you know that physics is:incomplete. — Banno
There could be several reasons WHY physicists could have a full "data set"and yet be unable to provide a UNIFIED VIEW: A "why-/WHY\+why" derived from the WHAT and HOW of a larger 4Dimensional Physical Reality we all seek to change-/Control\+connect with through g/G force\s in order to benefit our genes and ourselves as individuals.
Does that make sense to you ???? -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
I agree with you 100%.
I have owned the book: Feynman's Thesis and his new approach to Quantum Theory.
edited by Laurie M. Brown ISBN 981-256-366-0 for many years now.
Richard possessed an enviable insight.
Attributed Richard Feynman ???physics could never say why nature behaves as it does, only how. — jgill
Cannot seem to find it. Looked @https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/richard-p-feynman-quotes
However I do believe YOU are 100% right with that STATEMENT-"meme grouping" WHEREVER it came from: !!!
You have provided me with some Very\-valuable.......................................Insight/+information.
Can I offer a "meme group"- idea of my own in Exchange\payment?
Physics can never "say" WHY because it's "language" is mathematics.
A medium developed from individual RelationShip\s with a 4D larger Physical Reality that we all seek to change/- Control +\ connect with through g/G\'s force in order to benefit ourselves and our genes as individuals.
Thank you. :up:
AND to quote Hughie Green (look him up). I mean this most sincerely, folks. :starstruck:
Flaw one. (source: R Feynman - + Chris1952Enginner)
Physics is a purely descriptive medium employing the language of mathematics.
The mirror on Reality it provides will always require:
translation-/Interpretation\+evaluation through "Scientific Method" to Validate\-Experimentalt+\virtual Theories against individual-memes+realities. -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?Faith excludes knowledge — god must be atheist
Hi again.
I would argue that faith does not exclude knowledge.
It is simply a different form of knowledge:
Real Life experience stored as memes and "intuitive" Learned Response. individual reality" that is ultimately tested across generations and social structures through Socratic method and Darwinian survival to create "Wisdom".
Thank you for the insight your individual reality and mental exercise have provided. Look after you and yours. Regards Chris -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
Hi back. "Chores" done. Wife happy. Much easier to think when I used to disappear off to work. Not so many distractions
In the early sixties I walked into my fathers radio and TV shop to help out and discovered a whole host of new and exciting Electrical and electronic gadgets. I was fascinated by them.
I simply had to know HOW they functioned, WHAT they were made of and WHY they did what they did.
In an instant I had gained a profession that requires a Materialistic outlook. A career that would keep my future wife in a manner to which she would soon become accustomed and a job "electroMechanical engineer" that has held my interest and provided a deep sense of satisfaction up to this day and beyond in the guise of a "hobby".
It does this for me because it is a quandary at heart: It involves solving practical "real life" problems e.g. "Why has my television stopped working" and yet it requires an understanding of the purely theoretical Classical Properties of Resistance, reactance and reluctance to do it.
It is puzzle solving at it purest and deeply satisfying. Very similar to being a doctor:
Except the "patient" does not "whine" when you blow it up and you do not have to "poke and hope". Classical Physics has provided the underlying framework and properties. -
Is Science A Death Trap?Moving beyond "more is better" will inevitably involve learning how to say no to some knowledge. — Hippyhead
How do you propose to control the spread of knowledge and halt experiments in "dangerous" areas.
Saying no to proliferation of nuclear weapons and some aspects of genetic engineering has not worked well so far.
Who is censor going to be? You? The UN? An AI?
How do you propose to enforce the rules?
Sounds like "Big Brother/1984" to me. -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
Looking back: I do find materialism satisfying. Will explain why later today when I have tidied up. -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?Classical physics works well to solve problems in the world of physical reality of space and motion — magritte
Hi Margarite
Exactly. This makes it the only one of the 3 models/ScientificTheories offered by Physics that directly applies to "our daily lives". The other two are specialist theories that relate to the behaviour of light and sub-atomic particles.
how can that be extended into our daily lives? — magritte
We can create a Visual "Black Box Model" that illustrates HOW Form defines function through the "electroMechanical" properties of reatance, "reluctance" and "Resistance" to produce "The larger Reality we all Inhabit, act upon and seek to Control".
It is well known that "A picture is worth a thousand words". After using the p/+P-\properties R, XC and XL to repair, service and occasionally design "electroMechanical" Systems for so many years I believe I may be able to supply one.
The problem is how to validate it because "Science" has it own method/Rationale.
The only answer seems to Socratic Debate and validation through general discussion.
Ideas?
Comments?
Do you think it is even possible to get to a unified physical model?
Anyway: Thank you for your insight. Look after you and yours, I'm of to do the same for a while. -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
Hi thanks for the comment.
I think you are right to question what is being measured. Experience shows me that tolerance exists with all measurements and all components. I am not convinced of the multiverse concept. -
Physics: "An Inherently Flawed Mirror"?
Hi
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Interesting tag you have .
Does it imply God/s could be a Factor affecting physical Reality? -
Is Science A Death Trap?Hasn't every civilization ever constructed eventually collapsed? — Hippyhead
Yes:
Nature consists of competition, evolution and survival of the fittest at the Genetic level.
Civilisation is competition, evolution and survival of the fittest at meme level.
How else can there be progress in understanding and movement towards wisdom? -
Is Science A Death Trap?
I can understand your reservations and your reluctance to effect change in a larger Reality we are all subject to. But I cannot understand your fatalism. We are all "engineers" in a very real sense, driving change on a daily basis that affects others and the world around us just by surviving and following our own dreams. We are inherently doing our part as a member of the "Silent Majority".
Have faith in us.
I do. -
Is Science A Death Trap?It's not just that we have nuclear weapons, we are bored by them. What can that be called other than madness?
After experiencing the Cuban Missile Crisis I would call it "Progress".
I think you need to have greater faith in the "Silent Majority", the Philosophy of science and technological progress. In todays world these are the social mechanisms that promote the common good and limit the power of a "childish minority". -
Is Science A Death Trap?the knowledge explosion steadily shrinks the room for error. — Hippyhead
You make a valid point. Knowledge brings power and in todays world that power is immense.
As a "Philosopher" however I would offer the following personal observations:
1) Scientific advance has also brought humanity as a whole the tools to monitor progress and provide feedback.
2) To believe that we would as a species willingly follow a path to Mutually Assuered Destruction would be to accept we are doomed by an inherent madness.
3) In any system negative feedback creates greater stability and wider bandwidth (diversity).
Comments? -
Is Science A Death Trap?I agree with your points but would take issue with your conclusion. I do not believe it will all end in doom, gloom and destruction as you suggest.
In my view Science has only accelerated technological development, offering the "engineer" within us all ever more powerful tools to effect change and exercise power over their environment. This has culminated in the computers and communication tools available today which allow us to observe and act in concert across the globe for the first time ever.
I believe these tools will give a voice for the "Silent Majority" and thereby:
1) Offer everyone the chance to monitor and effect change within political establishments.
2) Make us all more appreciative of the diversity and cultural difference existing among us.
3) Give us the ability to promote and sustain individual lifestyles.
4) Provide a more open society both nationally and globally.
5) Enable us all to take responsibility for our planet and the ecosystems and realities it supports.
Chris1952Engineer
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