Well whatever...

I mean, I'm certainly not an angel when it comes to ridiculing others. However, in this case, I do not believe that I am, or was. One cannot sensibly be charged with deliberately ridiculing a person if one does not believe that the target is a person, but rather that it is a bot.

There is also most certainly no reason to continue and/or perpetuate such things as the glorification of ridiculing others when we realize their unhelpfulness... simply because we have been guilty of such things in past.

:brow:

I was also disappointed that even outlets like CBS would occasionally spin and report falsehoods with the aim of ridiculing Trump. And MSNBC and CNN? They lost whatever integrity they ever had. But that's capitalism for you. Money over integrity. — frank

When profit is the sole motive, to hell with what's right, moral, just, best, true, or fair...

Look Mikie, here's what seemed to have happened...

I strongly suspect that NOS is bot driven and bot informed, at the very least, mining from a treasure trove of pro-Trump data. I do not believe that that profile is a person and nothing more.

On the other hand, you seem to strongly believe that NOS is an actual person.

So...

When I mentioned the unhelpfulness of ridicule, from your vantage point, I was being hypocritical, and did not see it. Thus, you attempted to ridicule me for such with the sarcastic "no self-awareness" comment. Which makes perfect sense, if I believed NOS was a human, and nothing but.

I did not, and do not.

I'm wondering if correlations can be drawn between specific documents in Trump's possession... and certain activies by foreign governments and/or adversaries.

National defense information.

That case, if there is one(or more) would need more time to be made. Meanwhile, this one seems to have already been.

I'll butt in because this issue has been on my mind lately. I believe the reason ridicule of Trump and his supporters energized his base is because they already tend to feel inferior. There's angst among them toward the coastal intellectual crowd. — frank

This is true, and that sort of thing was increased and perpetuated by many trusted sources in media. Still is to this day.

You devalue others in much the same way he does for much the same underlying reasons(being different).
— creativesoul

Trump devalues others for personal gain. — praxis

That is true as well for Trump... I see no reason to attribute that to Mikie.

There’s a striking similarity between you and Trump supporters.

Not really. — praxis

Glorifying ridicule of someone who disagrees with and/or is different...

Yeah, that really is a striking similarity.

You cherry pick one example. I'm not certain that NOS is not a bot driven source of information. This situation is the only one where I've thought that. So, your claiming that I accuse others of being bots is misleading at best.

I could also be wrong about that.

What do you think is Trump’s egregious crime? — NOS4A2

There's more than one. Care to discuss?

Counts 1 through 31. Willful retention of national defense information
Count 32. Conspiracy to obstruct justice
Count 33. Withholding a document or record
Count 34. Corruptly concealing a document or record
Count 35. Concealing a document in a federal investigation
Count 36. Scheme to conceal
Count 37. False statements and representations
Count 38. False statements and representations

Are you aware of the similarity between your moral sensibilities and Trump's when it comes to what counts as acceptable treatment of those with whom you differ?

You devalue others in much the same way he does for much the same underlying reasons(being different).

Are you aware of the damaging role that the glorification of ridicule in American society played as it helped cultivate the ground for the rise of Trump?

I said I “genuinely care”. It was a polite way of saying I think you’re nuts, and I do not want you to hurt yourself or others. Just take it out on me. — NOS4A2

You did.

I think it's nuts for someone to claim - on the one hand - to genuinely care about others not hurting themselves or anyone else whilst - on the other hand - fomenting and fostering situations and parroting misleading and false narratives that tremendously increase the likelihood of people getting hurt.

So, what does it mean when someone does that?

It means that they are inconsistent. It is a performative contradiction. It could be that you're unaware of it, or it could be that you do not believe what you write.

Well timed satirical expose of the current mindfuck that sooo many Americans are suffering from.

In Un's trip to the store with the chocolate bar... a person in such a situation could very well cultivate a false memory accompanied by an inaccurate self-depiction should they, willingly or not, allow the fictional 'better' story about oneself to supercede and/or circumvent what happened.

Given enough of that, the person could very well believe that they are more considerate of others than they actually are/were...

However, it could also result in being so, should one prioritize such things.

It seems to me that you're completely missing the point.

It's the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves and the world around us that constitute the self.

Nice thread Un...

I'm reminded of a not so nice thing I've said to people...

Whatever you need to tell yourself in order to make sense of the world(and yourself).

Not intended to 'go low'. Rather, given it seems you care enough to not be like NOSBOT, I figured you may like to know that some of what you're doing is the same as what 'they' are doing...

Making fun of others in this situation trivializes the severity and real danger.

It's completely unhelpful to ridicule Trump supporters.

But no, I don’t think he’s done. That’s been said forever — Mikie

By those whose main motivation was to garner the attention of as many people as possible in order to increase the value of commercial time....

The department of justice is not profit driven.

He's done. Read the indictment in it's entirety. Do not be like NOSBOT and neglect to carefully consider the actual relevant information in lieu of rhetorical drivel.

I was just thinking about the cases when universal common denominators are discovered by us rather than stipulated. Such cases are examples of that which existed in its entirety prior to our naming and descriptive practices, prior to our consideration, prior to our awareness of them... prior to using "universal common denominator" in order to pick them out to the exclusion of all else.

But all universals are ideas — Mww

All universal common denominators are only ideas?

:gasp:

Those charges are ones that they are certain that they can convict him of by showing the evidence to a jury of citizens. That evidence, the prosecution believes, proves his guilt beyond all reasonable doubt.

Trump was elected not because the US is not sane. Rather, it was because the US is chock full of historically misinformed rude inconsiderate people who find it entertaining to make fun of others at the others' expense.

I do care. I have children and grandchildren.

Trump is a product of the power and privilege of wealth, white privilege, systemic racism, and the monetary corruption of American government.

He's not the problem. Rather, he's a symptom thereof.

Read that indictment in it's entirety...

He's done.

The fact that someone like Trump could even be elected is a disgrace on the effectiveness of our government... particularly since the early seventies.

If only it were funny. The huge swathe of people that have been brainwashed by the likes of Trump and pro-Trump media are mindfucked right now.

Perhaps. But, I think that there's far more to it than our intelligence services will make public. The stuff kept more secret will ensure that he's done.

If found guilty of violating the espionage act, which he clearly has, he cannot run for public office ever again. I think he was compromised while president.

Note how the parrot will not address the indictment...

Read the indictment NOSBOT...

He did far more than that.

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Distraction... designed.

Note how the parrot will not address the indictment...

It's called projection... lots of current Republican officials muddy the water by accusing others of exactly what they are doing... it's rampant currently. The accusations of weaponizing the dept of justice after Bill Barr assigned Durham to investigate the investigators. They found nothing criminal because there was nothing criminal to find.

Mueller did. Trump, Barr, and congress swept it under the rug and lied about the report weeks prior to it being released. Jack Smith has. Trump has no power(Bill Barr and congress) to stop it this time. Instead, his bootlickers in the house are doing everything they can to distract. They want him to be elected again so they will never have to face justice themselves for conspiracy to defraud the United States regarding the BIG lie.

Look over there... anywhere... other than at Trump.

None of that is relevant to Trump's espionage and obstruction of justice violations. None of it. Stay focused will ya?

2. Over the course of his presidency, TRUMP gathered newspapers, press clippings, letters, notes, cards, photographs, official documents, and other materials in cardboard boxes that he kept in the White House. Among the materials TRUMP stored in his boxes were hundreds of classified documents.

3. The classified documents TRUMP stored in his boxes included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries; United States nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack. The unauthorized disclosure of these classified documents could put at risk the national security of the United States, foreign relations, the safety of the United States military, and human sources and the continued viability of sensitive intelligence collection methods.

4. At 12:00 p.m. on January 20, 2021, TRUMP ceased to be president. As he departed the White House, TRUMP caused scores of boxes, many of which contained classified documents, to be transported to The Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, where he maintained his residence. TRUMP was not authorized to possess or retain those classified documents.

5. The Mar-a-Lago Club was an active social club, which, between January 2021 and August 2022, hosted events for tens of thousands of members and guests. After TRUMP’s presidency, The Mar-a-Lago Club was not an authorized location for the storage, possession, review, display, or discussion of classified documents. Nevertheless, TRUMP stored his boxes containing classified documents in various locations at The Mar-a-Lago Club—including in a ballroom, a bathroom and shower, an office space, his bedroom, and a storage room.6. On two occasions in 2021, TRUMP showed classified documents to others, as follows:

3a. In July 2021, at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey(“The Bedminster Club”), during an audio-recorded meeting with a writer, a publisher, and two members of his staff, none of whom possessed a security clearance, TRUMP showed and described a “plan of attack” that TRUMP said was prepared for him by the Department of Defense and a senior military official. TRUMP told the individuals that the plan was “highly confidential” and “secret.” TRUMP also said, “as president I could have declassified it,” and, “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”

3b. In August or September 2021, at The Bedminster Club, TRUMP showed a representative of his political action committee who did not possess a security clearance a classified map related to a military operation and told the representative that he should not be showing it to the representative and that the representative should not get too close.

7. On March 30, 2022, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) opened a criminal investigation into the unlawful retention of classified documents at The Mar-a-Lago Club. A federal grand jury investigation began the next month. The grand jury issued a subpoena requiring TRUMP to turn over all documents with classification markings. TRUMP endeavored to obstruct the FBI and grand jury investigations and conceal his continued retention of classified documents by, among other things: a. suggesting that his attorney falsely represent to the FBI and grand jury that TRUMP did not have documents called for by the grand jury subpoena; b. directing defendant WALTINE NAUTA to move boxes of documents to conceal them from TRUMP’s attorney, the FBI, and the grand jury; c. suggesting that his attorney hide or destroy documents called for by the grand jury subpoena; d. providing to the FBI and grand jury just some of the documents called for by the grand jury subpoena, while claiming that he was cooperating fully; and e. causing a certification to be submitted to the FBI and grand jury falsely representing that all documents called for by the grand jury subpoena had been produced—while knowing that, in fact, not all such documents had been produced...

Your nonsense is not gonna work parrot...

Let's read the indictment... Trump's a traitor. Sharing the most highly sensitive information. Remember what he said about Hillary's case of mishandling with a couple of classified docs?

Trump stole, lied, and intentionally concealed far more sensitive information...knowingly.

The irony?

Indeed.

Old news parrot... nothing found criminal... waste of taxpayer dollars... example of using the government and justice department to punish one's political rivals(witch hunt).

You're not a friend of mine.

of course it appears they’re working hard to discredit it before seeing the documents in question. — NOS4A2

Mirror, mirror...

all was found to be false and unjust — NOS4A2

Bullshit...